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DYK for Alison Weir

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:03, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Wendy Moore

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Please see new note on DYK talk page. Yoninah (talk) 07:42, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Doctor Who (series 5)

Do you think you will have a chance to review this? I was planning on just letting it sit on the list until a reviewer came along, but I won't be very active at the end of the month due to vacation so it will have to be reviewed by then. No rush, there's still plenty of time. Thanks, Glimmer721 talk 21:21, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Like I said, no rush. I still have a few weeks left. Glimmer721 talk 15:55, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

R&N Userbox

Hello, Ruby2010! You can add the new userbox for the Royalty & Nobility taskforce, {{User WikiProject Royalty and Nobility}}, to your userpage! - Presidentman talk · contribs Random Picture of the Day (Talkback) 11:55, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Wendy Moore

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:02, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Main page appearance: Caroline of Ansbach

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Portrait of Caroline Wilhelmina of Brandenburg-Ansbach by Jacopo Amigoni

Caroline of Ansbach (1683-1737) was the queen consort of King George II of Great Britain. Her father, John Frederick, Margrave of Brandenburg-Ansbach, was the ruler of a small German state. As a young woman, Caroline was much sought-after as a bride. After rejecting the suit of the nominal King of Spain, Archduke Charles of Austria, she married George Augustus, the third-in-line to the British throne and heir apparent to the Electorate of Hanover. Caroline moved permanently to Britain in 1714 when her husband became Prince of Wales. Caroline succeeded as queen and electress consort in 1727, when her husband became King George II. Her eldest son, Frederick, became Prince of Wales. He was a focus for the opposition, like his father before him, and Caroline's relationship with him was strained. As princess and as queen, Caroline was known for her political influence. Her tenure included four regencies during her husband's stays in Hanover, and she is credited with strengthening the Hanoverian dynasty's place in Britain during a period of political instability. Her death in 1737 left Caroline widely mourned not only by the public, but also by the King, who refused to remarry. (more...)

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Getting The Office ball rolling...

I've finally started working on making some of season two's episodes GAs, as well as spiffing up the older GAs that have fallen by the wayside. If you plan on sprucing up any of season three's episodes, I'd love to give them a review. Also, out of curiosity, do you know of any good cites for reviews of season two articles? There seems to be a shortage...--Gen. Quon (talk) 02:35, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

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Precious

writers and royalty
Thank you for expanding our knowledge of people, royalty like Caroline of Ansbach and writers like Wendy Moore, with scientific background and Letters of Transit. Hope you appreciate a sapphire, Ruby ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:09, 15 June 2012 (UTC)


Great American Wiknic

In the area? You're invited to the Great American Wiknic.

Place: near Minnehaha Falls at Minnehaha Park, Minneapolis
Date: Saturday, July 7, 2012 (rain date July 8)
Time: 12–3 pm

  • Accessible from the Minnehaha Park light rail station, bus, walk, bike, or car
  • If driving, free parking available at 46th Ave. S, and pay parking in the park
  • Food and drink options nearby, or bring your own... maybe even to share!

See the meetup talk page for more. —innotata 00:07, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

A cupcake for you!

Thanks for reviewing Doctor Who (series 5)! I know it is a monster of an article. :) Glimmer721 talk 20:32, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for List of colleges and universities in South Dakota

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:04, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Anna Karenina (2012 film)

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:04, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Snyder

Good work on the Snyder article. Also, thank you for putting a link in the edit summary. If you hadn't done that, I would probably not have reviewed the article. :) --LauraHale (talk) 06:31, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Brad Snyder (swimmer)

Yngvadottir (talk) 08:46, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

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List of colleges and universities in South Dakota at WP:FLC

Hey Ruby2010, you've been made to wait a while, but there are now some comments at the above for you to have a look at. Best. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:05, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. Will get to those comments shortly. Regards, Ruby 2010/2013 17:13, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

Thanks for the DYK review have you seen Template:Did you know nominations/Talking Heads (Body of Proof)? — M.Mario (T/C) 21:27, 29 June 2012 (UTC)


Your GA nomination of Letters of Transit

The article Letters of Transit you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Letters of Transit for things which need to be addressed. TRLIJC19 (talk) 02:44, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Max Charles

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Your GA nomination of Letters of Transit

The article Letters of Transit you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Letters of Transit for comments about the article. Well done! There is a backlog of articles waiting for review, why not help out and review a nominated article yourself? TRLIJC19 (talk) 01:13, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

WikiCup 2012 June newsletter

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DYK for Rachel Covey

Yngvadottir (talk) 16:06, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for Max Pirkis

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:03, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Farewell, My Queen

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DYK for Farewell, My Queen

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:02, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Chantal Thomas

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:02, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

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Now you're thinking with portals

Are you planning to chase Portal:Jane Austen to P:FP at any stage? I'm planning on bringing P:MM there at some point but by the seems of it it's a slow process; I'd be happy to trade peer reviews if you're up for it. GRAPPLE X 21:30, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Started having a poke around for you. I've gone and switched your use of {{Random portal component with nominate}} to {{Random portal component}}, it removes those red links to nomination pages. If you want to set up nomination pages for the various selections, feel free to revert that. I also created the shortcut P:JANE and stuck a shortcut box in the intro section. I'd consider having a randomised DYK section, too, rather than listing every hook, as it becomes a little hard to follow. I stole a nice format from P:DOH which works well, though with 12 hooks to work with you might want to limit that to only a few randomised hooks or even two sets of 6 that alternate with each other. I'm not 100% sure but I haven't actually seen anything that says portal hooks have to have been through DYK before so you might be able to bulk that out by writing hooks for other articles specifically for use on the portal. Haven't looked through the blurbs themselves yet but I'll get on that soon. GRAPPLE X 02:03, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
That's a good idea about the DYK section. I'll tweak it tomorrow. Not sure about the DYK-requirement or not; I'll probably just stick with the ones already added. Ruby 2010/2013 04:07, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

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FLC for List of National Natural Landmarks in Michigan

Hi Ruby - Would you mind revisiting your comments at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of National Natural Landmarks in Michigan/archive1 to see if you have additional concerns? The FLC has been ongoing for quite a while, so I'd like to push it along a bit, if I may. Thanks, Dana boomer (talk) 15:38, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Princess Pauline pages

I closed your RfD nomination on a procedural basis. In the future, such help with page moves should be requested at Wikipedia:Requested moves. In this case you don't need to do that; I've placed {{db-move}} on the page already, which will get it deleted via CSD G6, after which the administrator should do the page move for you (but you can keep an eye on the link Princess Pauline of Württemberg, in case it goes red, which will tell you that the name is free). You're welcome to reply here if you have any questions, or of course you're always welcome to start new discussion at my user talk page. BigNate37(T) 05:18, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

I declined the speedy deletion as this does not appear non-controversial. You are attempting to move two Princesses and one not-Princess to a title Princess. At least as I understand it. As well in general, we prefer article titles without noble titles. Rmhermen (talk) 17:16, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
I responded on my talk page. (In case you missed it.) Rmhermen (talk) 17:44, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 23 July 2012

DYK for Diwali (The Office)

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:02, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

RE: EW issue

Just saw that myself on the Internet! Unfortunately I don't subscribe, but if there are any interesting facts or reception for anything in the show's 50 year history feel free to tell me or add it yourself. Anyway, I guess I'm almost caught up too--I still have to watch The End of Time which is on my Netflix queue, but I'm getting rather distracted by Classic Who. I also need to rent "Planet of the Dead" from the library sometime, and watch the complete version of those few 60-minute-ish episodes that were cut down on BBC America reruns. Glimmer721 talk 19:03, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

They do have "The Waters of Mars" and The End of Time on Instant Watch (it comes up separate if you search "doctor who"), but not "Planet of the Dead". Also, if you are watching entirely on Netflix, then you missed "A Christmas Carol" because it's not on there for some reason. Glimmer721 talk 19:19, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
This was where I first saw the full version (the BBCA rerun cuts out around 15 minutes). Website is like a YouTube. Some of the faster scenes aren't as smooth as they should be, but overall it is good quality. Glimmer721 talk 19:38, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
Originally (back when it first came out) it was stated that editors should give credit to the original source and HighBeam. I used to just add "archived on Highbeam" to the work/publisher field, but someone went around to several articles and added the via field. According to this there is no particular way to do it. Glimmer721 talk 19:55, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

I love "The Doctor's Daughter"! I'd say expand the lead first with basic info and plot summary. User:Sceptre was once working on series 4 but I haven't seen him around lately. I know there is Confidential but I've only been able to find series 5 and 6 online, though there is also DVD commentary if you ever rent the DVD. I have a book that helps a little with continuity, some trivial things, and reception. I've got some links stored up (though not for that episode) on my page and I am also keeping track of clean-up. I need to finish of "Blink" some day... Glimmer721 talk 21:51, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Oh, there is also this site, which I used in "Fear Her" only because it was there first. It does have some credibility in that it has an author, cites some sources, and is used in "Doomsday" (FA). So that could be somewhat of a starting point. And yeah, if you watched Confidential (link!) you will fall in love with the whole cast. Gillan and Darvill are hilarious. Glimmer721 talk 22:09, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
Have you seen this? Glimmer721 talk 01:20, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, I think Sceptre was planning on getting that up to FAC (he originally tried before it became GA). Glimmer721 talk 15:40, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
This just came out today, FYI. Glimmer721 talk 16:15, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for Survival (Muse song)

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WikiCup 2012 July newsletter

We're approaching the beginning of 2012's final round. Pool A sees Wales Cwmhiraeth (submissions) as the leader, with 300 points being awarded for the featured article Bivalvia, and Pool B sees Conradh na Gaeilge Grapple X (submissions) in the lead, with 10 good articles, and over 35 articles eligible for good topic points. Pool A sees New York City Muboshgu (submissions) in second place with a number of articles relating to baseball, while Pool B's Minnesota Ruby2010 (submissions) follows Grapple X, with a variety of contributions including the high-scoring, high-importance featured article on the 2010 film Pride & Prejudice. Ruby2010, like Grapple X, also claimed a number of good topic points; despite this, not a single point has been claimed for featured topics in the contest so far. The same is true for featured portals.

Currently, the eighth-place competitor (and so the lowest scorer who would reach the final round right now) has scored 332, more than double the 150 needed to reach the final round last year. In 2010, however, 430 was the lowest qualifying score. In this competition, we have generally seen scores closer to those in 2010 than those in 2011. Let's see what kind of benchmark we can set for future competitions! As ever, if you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email) and The ed17 (talk • email) 22:32, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

" Pedro I of Brazil"

Hi, Ruby, good to talk to you, although it has been quite awhile since he did it for thel ast time. In your edit summary on Pedro I of Brazil you wrote "Add the titles of Pedro's 2 married daughters into infobox for consistency". Out of curiosity only, consistency with what exactly? Kind regards, --Lecen (talk) 19:04, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

I was not against it. They are linked to exactly how they are named in their articles. I only reverted it because it would create an inconsistency in the "Issue" section where they were also called "of Brazil". If you want to you may change in both places (infobox and issue section). I really wouldn't mind at all. I only thought it would be odd changing in only one place. --Lecen (talk) 01:16, 4 August 2012 (UTC)


Your GA nomination of Becoming Jane

The article Becoming Jane you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within some number of days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Becoming Jane for things which need to be addressed. GRAPPLE X 01:32, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Hey Ruby, if you don't mind me asking, how did you get a reviewer so quickly? And congrats btw.– Lionel (talk) 08:11, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Austen

Hey, congrats on getting Becoming Jane to GA status! I watched the film a couple of days ago and thought it was really good. I'm quite jealous that you managed to get a free image of one of the costumes. I'm currently working on a draft of Sense and Sensibility (2008 TV serial) and found a couple of images of the costumes on Flickr, but none of the users have got back to me about changing the licenses yet. :( - JuneGloom Talk 16:48, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! I think the 2008 series has become one of my favourite Austen adaptations. While I was watching it for the third time in a row, I just thought I have got to improve the article. I did start a draft for Persuasion last year, but it's taken a bit of back seat to a few other things at present. I don't know how you feel about collaborations, but you're welcome to help out with it if you like. These are the two images that I found: [1] and [2]. - JuneGloom Talk 23:28, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
I had a small moment of confusion when I checked my watchlist before my talk page earlier. I couldn't work out why you were editing my userspace, then realised I told you to! Feel free to change/remove any information. I tend to add things and then re-organise it all as I go along. I've added some sources that I gathered offline to the talk page. - JuneGloom Talk 00:05, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

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List of colleges and universities in South Dakota

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Triple Crown of Napoleon....

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Your GA nomination of The Stolen Eagle

The article The Stolen Eagle you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:The Stolen Eagle for things which need to be addressed. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 05:43, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

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Duke of Leuchtenberg

Hey Ruby. I've noticed you stopped creating as much on articles relating on royalty lately, but I was just wondering if you think there is any time for you to create articles for the last two Dukes of Leuchtenberg without articles? It seems Nicholas was a second runner up for the Greek throne in 1863 after Prince Alfred.--The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 08:54, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Max Pirkis

Couple comments (was considering a GA review, but you're on vacation):

  • Subsections should use equals signs (=)
  • "In 2011, Pirkis was credited as a set production assistant for London in the film The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo." is too short for a stand alone paragraph, and it may possibly be another Pirkis (doubt it, but you never know)
  • Quotes are a little long. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:13, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
  • I'll try to look further this week. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:03, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Kevin Hood

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:02, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Sarah Williams (screenwriter)

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:02, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

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Sense and Sensibility

Hi Ruby, just a quick note to say good work on the above. I read it with great ease and up-most pleasure. -- CassiantoTalk 20:42, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Count me in for some comments at either PR and/or FAC (I'm frequently at both). I'd be only too happy to assist! -- CassiantoTalk 23:54, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
I just did a complete (unofficial PR) for you and left a number of hidden comments. The article is in a very good shape and is not far off at all from a spot at FAC. It's on my watch list, so feel free to discuss any of the things I done on the article's talk page. All the best! -- CassiantoTalk 12:13, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
Yes, I should have known it was being expanded sorry, my mistake. I did wonder if Pride and Prejudice had anything to do with you. A jolly good article it is too and well worthy of FA status. I'll lurk in the wings and await the call at PR. Happy editing!  :-) -- CassiantoTalk 17:14, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

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