User talk:Sacredsf
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- Thanks shoy and thanks for the welcome! I've taken some advice of from other Wikipedians (Bkissin) and merged existing articles Stuart Hall for Boys, Convent of the Sacred Heart Elementary School, and Stuart Hall High School into Convent of the Sacred Heart High School (California). From there I wanted to update the title of Convent of the Sacred Heart High School (California) to Convent & Stuart Hall as it more accurately describes the school (per the website). Want to make sure I'm following the rules and correct protocol so I'd greatly appreciate any extra eyes on this process! Sacredsf (talk) 21:06, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
- At a very quick glance I see three issues. Two of those have been outlined by Shoy above: Firstly, when you're writing about "schools of the Sacret Heart in San Francisco", then your username User:Sacredsf skirts the boundaries of the username policy, particularly because it may be seen as representing an organization and thereby implying shared use. Secondly, if you work for those schools and edit Wikipedia as part of your job, then you will need to disclose that; see WP:Paid-contribution disclosure for details on the disclosure requirements. Thirdly, the article is indeed under the correct title, but it's blatantly promotional and reproduces content copy-pasted from the school website as Wikipedia's own voice. That's not just inappropriate for an encyclopedia, it also raises copyright issues. I'll try and remove the copy-pasted content; we'll have to see whether a meaningful article remains. Huon (talk) 22:27, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for clearing that up Huon. I went ahead and disclosed that I am indeed a paid contributor on my Userpage. I apologize about the copyright issues, I thought by citing sources for the text was enough, but now realize that none of the word-for-word text was put in quotations and is therefore plagiarized. I can assure you that I am the only person using this account and have communicated with others that they will need to create an account of their own should they wish to create edits. I apologize for the "promotional" language as that was not my intent. My goal is only to ensure that the article about the organization is factually correct and up to date. I will try again and would appreciate any feedback/tips you could provide. Sacredsf (talk) 19:12, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
- I should note (and I did note on my user talk page in reply to Trackinfo) that some copyright problems were present in the page before you ever edited it. If your edits had been the only problem, cleanup would have been quick and easy; those other issues, likely undetected for years, were worse. My general advice for article-writing is to find reliable third-party sources such as newspapers or reputable magazines that discuss the schools in some detail, and to neutrally summarize (in your own words, to avoid copyright problems) what those sources report. Huon (talk) 20:09, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for clearing that up Huon. I went ahead and disclosed that I am indeed a paid contributor on my Userpage. I apologize about the copyright issues, I thought by citing sources for the text was enough, but now realize that none of the word-for-word text was put in quotations and is therefore plagiarized. I can assure you that I am the only person using this account and have communicated with others that they will need to create an account of their own should they wish to create edits. I apologize for the "promotional" language as that was not my intent. My goal is only to ensure that the article about the organization is factually correct and up to date. I will try again and would appreciate any feedback/tips you could provide. Sacredsf (talk) 19:12, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
- At a very quick glance I see three issues. Two of those have been outlined by Shoy above: Firstly, when you're writing about "schools of the Sacret Heart in San Francisco", then your username User:Sacredsf skirts the boundaries of the username policy, particularly because it may be seen as representing an organization and thereby implying shared use. Secondly, if you work for those schools and edit Wikipedia as part of your job, then you will need to disclose that; see WP:Paid-contribution disclosure for details on the disclosure requirements. Thirdly, the article is indeed under the correct title, but it's blatantly promotional and reproduces content copy-pasted from the school website as Wikipedia's own voice. That's not just inappropriate for an encyclopedia, it also raises copyright issues. I'll try and remove the copy-pasted content; we'll have to see whether a meaningful article remains. Huon (talk) 22:27, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
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Hello, Sacredsf!
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Convent & Stuart Hall[edit]
When you merged into Convent & Stuart Hall, it set off a chain reaction that resulted in all of the articles getting deleted by other editors. The main reason for the deletion was WP:COPYVIO. Whoever created the original article, copied it word for word, not as a short quote. Deleting the articles set off an alarm with me, high schools don't disappear or become non-notable.
In my research, each high school has achieved notability separately, Convent back to 1887, Stuart Hall to 1956 I believe and then the merger. Each has a story to tell. We don't let contemporary developments obliterate history. There are old ladies still alive diplomas stating they graduated from Convent, with no mention of Stuart Hall and vice versa. I got the articles started, in what is called original prose. I reworded based on multiple pages of information.
I know there is a lot more to tell. I consider what I did as low hanging fruit to get things started. Judging by your handle, you probably can help tell it far better than I. But do it in your own words, supported by the sources, not verbatim quotes of multiple paragraphs. Watch out also for WP:COI. Trackinfo (talk) 08:51, 11 April 2019 (UTC)