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New Page Patrol December Newsletter
Hello Sagotreespirit,
- Year in review
It has been a productive year for New Page Patrol as we've roughly cut the size of the New Page Patrol queue in half this year. We have been fortunate to have a lot of great work done by Rosguill who was the reviewer of the most pages and redirects this past year. Thanks and credit go to JTtheOG and Onel5969 who join Rosguill in repeating in the top 10 from last year. Thanks to John B123, Hughesdarren, and Mccapra who all got the NPR permission this year and joined the top 10. Also new to the top ten is DannyS712 bot III, programmed by DannyS712 which has helped to dramatically reduce the number of redirects that have needed human patrolling by patrolling certain types of redirects (e.g. for differences in accents) and by also patrolling editors who are on on the redirect whitelist.
| Rank | Username | Num reviews | Log |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | DannyS712 bot III (talk) | 67,552 | Patrol Page Curation |
| 2 | Rosguill (talk) | 63,821 | Patrol Page Curation |
| 3 | John B123 (talk) | 21,697 | Patrol Page Curation |
| 4 | Onel5969 (talk) | 19,879 | Patrol Page Curation |
| 5 | JTtheOG (talk) | 12,901 | Patrol Page Curation |
| 6 | Mcampany (talk) | 9,103 | Patrol Page Curation |
| 7 | DragonflySixtyseven (talk) | 6,401 | Patrol Page Curation |
| 8 | Mccapra (talk) | 4,918 | Patrol Page Curation |
| 9 | Hughesdarren (talk) | 4,520 | Patrol Page Curation |
| 10 | Utopes (talk) | 3,958 | Patrol Page Curation |
- Reviewer of the Year
John B123 has been named reviewer of the year for 2020. John has held the permission for just over 6 months and in that time has helped cut into the queue by reviewing more than 18,000 articles. His talk page shows his efforts to communicate with users, upholding NPP's goal of nurturing new users and quality over quantity.
- NPP Technical Achievement Award
As a special recognition and thank you DannyS712 has been awarded the first NPP Technical Achievement Award. His work programming the bot has helped us patrol redirects tremendously - more than 60,000 redirects this past year. This has been a large contribution to New Page Patrol and definitely is worthy of recognition.
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Just saying Hello!
Hello @Sagotreespirit:! It's been some time since you helped me with the sikkim tea article and you have been very helpful and friendly so I just wanted to thank you and ask a favor. Could you please sign my contact book? Yours DishitaBhowmik talk 10:42, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Dishita Bhowmik: I've just signed your contact book. Really nice to hear from you again Dishita Bhowmik! — Sagotreespirit (talk) 11:27, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Sagotreespirit: Thank You so much! Hope you are happy and healthy! DishitaBhowmik talk 11:35, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
'Weenhayek language
Hi! I'm a bit puzzled by the redirect 'Weenhayek language. What's the apostrophe for? Also, it seems to target a different article than Weenhayek language. – Uanfala (talk) 23:05, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Uanfala: I assume it's a preglottalized consonant. It's used in the Spanish Wikipedia article as well. — Sagotreespirit (talk) 01:32, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oh, now I it's also used in the titles of some of the works in the bibliography at Glottolog – I guess I should have checked there first. – Uanfala (talk) 01:42, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Hello, I noticed you just put the article Doneli into draft space. I helped its author Mohsen Ghodrati with his last article Dozaleh, and intend to do so with this one. I'll give you a head's up when we are finished for a new opinion. Thank you for keeping after standards! Jacqke (talk) 19:03, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Jacqke: No problem. You can move it back to mainspace any time you're ready. — Sagotreespirit (talk) 19:04, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- He kept creating it on the main space, but I think it is up to a minimum standard now. Please let me know of any concerns. He renamed it Donali. Jacqke (talk) 12:47, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
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Hello, I see you recently (November 2020) added a vocabulary list for Wutung to the page Skou languages. The source you used (TransNewGuinea.org) for some reason uses data from Voorhoeve (1975), which has many errors (it was collected as part of a broad language survey). There is now a PhD thesis description of Wutung (at https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/156711131.pdf) so I will remove the wordlist you inserted and replace it with that more accurate information. Cheers! Dougg (talk) 22:43, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Dougg: Thanks. Instead of completely removing a word list, try to see if you can replace it with more recent data. — Sagotreespirit (talk) 22:45, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Sure, that's what I meant really. Dougg (talk) 22:21, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Dougg:
Done for Skou languages#Vocabulary comparison. I've preserved Voorhoeve's data for historical reference, since it looks quite different from Marmion's data. Eventually we'll need to update all the transnewguinea.org data for different Papuan language families with words from more recent wordlists. — Sagotreespirit (talk) 22:55, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Dougg:
- You beat me to it! I'll also add the Skou data from the ASJP database (here: https://asjp.clld.org/languages/SKOU) as that is based on unpublished materials collected by Mark Donohue. I trust Mark's materials more than those arising from brief survey work as he worked on the language intensively and produced a very substantial (but still draft) grammar.Dougg (talk) 23:08, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Dougg: Do you have access to Mark Donohue's unpublished materials? Send me an email if you'd like to discuss this privately. — Sagotreespirit (talk) 23:10, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- Also, the ASJP database does not preserve the original transcriptions, so I wouldn't use the ASJP data unless you can corroborate it with data from the primary source itself. — Sagotreespirit (talk) 23:16, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, yes I do. I'll email you shortly. Re the ASJP data, I did check it. Dougg (talk) 21:57, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
"Ïbïtoso language" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Ïbïtoso language. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 January 21#Ïbïtoso language until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. 122.61.73.44 (talk) 05:42, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Andrey Nikulin and MPdV Jolkesky
Hi Sagotreespirit, I have recently been adding references to the list of Language Isolates, and I came across quite a few articles to which you or User:Degoiabeira have added the dissertations of Andrey Nikulin and/or MPdV Jolkesky. I am worried that we are over using them as primary sources, given they appear in a very, very large number of articles and they are perhaps not the most notable pieces of work. I have started a discussion of the matter at the reliable sources noticeboard, and would be grateful if you could perhaps explain the reasoning behind such extensive use. There have also been questions raised about conflict of interest in this matter, could you possibly make it clear whether you have any relationship with either Nikulin or Jolkesky?
I do not think you have necessarily done anything wrong in adding these sources, even if you have some relationship to the individuals concerned, and the improvements you have made to many South American language articles have been impressive, but you probably do need to talk about it. Boynamedsue (talk) 20:06, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
- Check my talk page archives. I had randomly bumped into Degoiabeira here on Wikipedia last year when he had asked me for help with editing. — Sagotreespirit (talk) 14:38, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
South American languages
Hi Sago (or whatever you prefer to be called for short),
Could you verify which language "Borum" is? I suspect it might be Gueren, which I redirected it to, but is it supposed to be all of Botokudo/Krenak? The distinction between language and dialect in those articles might should be revamped. — kwami (talk) 23:48, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Kwamikagami: Hi Kwami, Sago is fine. "Borum" is generally used as a synonym for Krenak and Botocudo. [1] [2] [3] — Sagotreespirit (talk) 03:57, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
BTW, do you have any idea why Pano-Tacanan comparisons are included along with the Macro-Chaco families in the Je-Tupi-Carib article? Might it just be because of Greenberg? (Please ping me if you answer, I'm curious.) — kwami (talk) 00:53, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Kwamikagami: I didn't write that, and I also have the same question in mind. I assume it's because someone thinks there are areal similarities. Greenberg's "Equatorial" comes to mind. — Sagotreespirit (talk) 03:57, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, I know it predates your edits, just thought you might have some idea, since you didn't change it. I assume it might come from Greenberg's Ge-Pano-Carib. I don't know what purpose it serves, unless it's to debunk Greenberg, or compare Je-Tupi-Carib with Ge-Pano-Carib, but if that's the case we're expecting our readers to do the comparative work, which is not appropriate. I think we should probably remove the Panoan and Tacanan (or move them to the Pano-Tacanan article) and move the rest down to the Macro-Chacoan section. — kwami (talk) 04:19, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Kwamikagami: I had seen that too and always wondered why it was there. It looks like it was taken in full from an uncited source. Without context, I agree it doesn't make sense to keep it in full. –Austronesier (talk) 11:04, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, I know it predates your edits, just thought you might have some idea, since you didn't change it. I assume it might come from Greenberg's Ge-Pano-Carib. I don't know what purpose it serves, unless it's to debunk Greenberg, or compare Je-Tupi-Carib with Ge-Pano-Carib, but if that's the case we're expecting our readers to do the comparative work, which is not appropriate. I think we should probably remove the Panoan and Tacanan (or move them to the Pano-Tacanan article) and move the rest down to the Macro-Chacoan section. — kwami (talk) 04:19, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
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Betking article
Hello sir can please explain to me what you mean by new site on an article I wrote the website might be just 3 years old but with over 9 million registered users and Alexa rank of 10,550 I think I worth publishing and article for on Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mickyskidy (talk • contribs) 18:12, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
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Hello sir please can you explain to me thing to be in my article in other to get it approved by Wikipedia I wrote and article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Betking But it was rejected please can you review it and tell me things I missed Mickyskidy (talk) 12:11, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
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Thanks
Sagotreespirit Hi! Thank you so much for your edits and review on Walissima. Best regards RV (talk) 07:53, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
Nomination of Coto River for deletion
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Take a look at this
Hello, your opinion matters. Mod Dam 1199 R You are invited to help with the clarification. Regards Meow2021 (talk) 02:10, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
Michael (2021)
Hi Sagotreespirit! Have you already seen this article? Being a review article and secondary source, it looks like a perfect additional source to your expansions of articles in that field. Most theses and dissertations which you have cited are included there, so it will also help to put to rest all those objections against using dissertations just because they're "primary sources". –Austronesier (talk) 09:30, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Austronesier: Thanks, that's pretty helpful! The more non-primary references, the better. — Sagotreespirit (talk) 15:52, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
- I'm sure you love it. It's a goldmine too for research papers which we have overlooked so far. –Austronesier (talk) 16:51, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
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Articles for Creation July 2021 Backlog Elimination Drive
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Tatcoin News is legit
This crypto media outlet is legit and is dedicated to providing Tatcoin users worldwide with up-to-date information on the development and adoption of Tatcoin globally. It has been listed on Google News currently. Thank you. Sapodefirst (talk) 19:03, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
Draft:Front Row Insurance Brokers
Hello. You said: "Should not read like company about us page or press release."
I have edited the draft multiple times to make the language neutral. In my opinion, the language is not overly promotional or advertisement-like. But I am open to suggestions. Could you please provide me with some SPECIFIC suggestions on how to make the language in the draft more neutral?
Regarding sources: there are many independent, non-Front Row sources cited in the article, including Insurance Business, Leaders Edge, SOCAN and Variety.
Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ArthurRobertRobert (talk • contribs) 19:05, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
Request on 16:10:19, 9 July 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by S Tallim
I am confused with two of your comments: (1) the submission appears to read more like an advertisement, and (2) looks like a promotional resume written by the subject.
Firstly, an advertisement tells the reader why a particular brand of product is preferred over a competitor in the market. The article does no such thing. There is no Mahal brand to pit against some other person.
Secondly, a resume provides information about education, employment history, relevant professional experience and skills. No such information is contained in the article. There is no mention of Mahal’s education or employment history.
The article is a biography, which requires to encapsulate subject’s life to provide enough details to give the reader noteworthy achievements, accomplishments and impact on society. The article does this by providing key noteworthy details about Mahal such as: 1. His personal experiences living in multicultural societies around the globe (Kenya, India, UK, Guyana) was reason government of Canada chose to appoint him to the multicultural advisory committee to foster diversity in Canadian society. 2. His involvement in communal affairs was reason he was appointed by the Ontario government as an advisor on boards of long-term care facility and on the council of a professional body. 3. Recognizing his impact on Canadian society, he was appointed by federal government of Canada to a quasi-judicial tribunal to hear appeals from people claiming wrongful dismissal. 4. He is a published author whose works on Sikhism and plural societies are quoted and or referenced by other scholars. 5. He was awarded Queen Elizabeth II Golden Jubilee Medal, a medal awarded “to Canadians who have made outstanding and exemplary contributions to their communities or to Canada as a whole.” This meets Wikipedia’s criteria on notability as per their own article on this medal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Elizabeth_II_Golden_Jubilee_Medal S TallimS Tallim (talk) 16:10, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
S Tallim (talk) 16:10, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
- @S Tallim: Again, the draft reads like an advertisement and looks like a resume. You will need to fix the issues as the other reviewers have mentioned. — Sagotreespirit (talk) 20:36, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
I need guidance on fixing of the issues. I am 88 and not that tech savvy. If under section "Public Service" I were to revamp it and replace by following text, will it be acceptable:
Mahal served on the Canadian Multiculturalism Advisory Committee (1990-1994), chaired by Dr. Karen Mock, and tasked by Government of Canada on fostering cultural diversity in the Canadian social fabric. He has promoted diversity and inclusion in Canadian society in general and Sikh community in particular. He served on the Board of Directors of the Hamilton Community Care Access Centre from 2002 to 2006, entrusted to ensure clients receive the right care in the right place, at the right time. From 2002 to 2007 he was a board member of the College of Physiotherapists during which tenure he sat on several of college’s committees, notably as Chair of the Complaints Committee. From 2009 to 2013 he served as Chairperson of the Employment Insurance Board of Referees to adjudicate quasi-judicial issues on wrongful dismissals and entitlements.
Your guidance will be greatly valued. S TallmS Tallim (talk) 16:43, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
I have revised the section on Public Service. Got rid of resume style presentation. Please review and let me have your feedback if it meets your requirements. S TallimS Tallim (talk) 17:42, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
"Pearlshell" listed at Redirects for discussion
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New Page Patrol newsletter September 2021
Hello Sagotreespirit,
Please join this discussion - there is increase in the abuse of Wikipedia and its processes by POV pushers, Paid Editors, and by holders of various user rights including Autopatrolled. Even our review systems themselves at AfC and NPR have been infiltrated. The good news is that detection is improving, but the downside is that it creates the need for a huge clean up - which of course adds to backlogs.
Copyright violations are also a serious issue. Most non-regular contributors do not understand why, and most of our Reviewers are not experts on copyright law - and can't be expected to be, but there is excellent, easy-to-follow advice on COPYVIO detection here.
At the time of the last newsletter (#25, December 2020) the backlog was only just over 2,000 articles. New Page Review is an official system. It's the only firewall against the inclusion of new, improper pages.
There are currently 706 New Page Reviewers plus a further 1,080 admins, but as much as nearly 90% of the patrolling is still being done by around only the 20 or so most regular patrollers.
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Improvements to page Nada Sanders, thank you
Thank you for your recommendations to improve the article, which have been attended to: all adjectivations have been now removed.Neuralia (talk) 21:42, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for your revue — McAnnis59 (talk) 14:51, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
November 2021 backlog drive
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Chachapoya words in Quechua
Hello, I'm searching after words which have Chachapya origin. Are there reseaches and/or discoveries? Best --Jucos (talk) 16:44, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
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Hello! I wanted to drop a quick note for all of our AFC participants; nothing huge and fancy like a newsletter, but a few points of interest.
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Levantine Arabic FAC
Hi Sagotreespirit, I nominated Levantine Article for FAC. As you contributed to Proto-Arabic language and other related articles in the past, I thought you could be interested in reviewing this nomination. Thanks for any help you can provide. A455bcd9 (talk) 08:07, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
The article that you have reviewed is being biased by new users
Hello Sagotreespirit, The page that has been created by me is being attempted to be deleted by new user on English Wikipedia for some reasons. The article was already reviewed and confirmed by you when it was created. It is enriched with information that is backed up with reliable sources. Nonetheless, now it is under a speedy deletion note. Can you please check that and remove that note if possible?
Thank you Link to the article is below https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utkirbek_Kakhorov Film contributor (talk) 21:25, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
Creation of IAV disambiguation page
Thanks for your creation of the IAV disambiguation page, which I botched. But the task is not done. Entering IAV in the Wikipedia search bar, or simply clicking on the wikilink I just provided does not go to the disambiguation page, it goes to a page I was trying to include in the disambiguation list. Moreover the first entry redirects to my dyslexic typo AIV rather than IAV, which was what I intended. --Ben Best:Talk 19:40, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Benbest: I think it looks fine now. Check Special:WhatLinksHere/IAV (disambiguation). — Sagotreespirit (talk) 19:42, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Draft:Muslim-Yadav formula
after your review the page Draft:Muslim-Yadav formula, Hemantha moved in draft without saying any particular reason so please look in priority.
your review notification got it thanks for your valuable received ..... Vandy 1989 (talk) 08:33, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
New Page Patrol newsletter May 2022
Hello Sagotreespirit,
At the time of the last newsletter (No.26, September 2021), the backlog was 'only' just over 6,000 articles. In the past six months, the backlog has reached nearly 16,000, a staggering level not seen in several years. A very small number of users had been doing the vast majority of the reviews. Due to "burn-out", we have recently lost most of this effort. Furthermore, several reviewers have been stripped of the user right for abuse of privilege and the articles they patrolled were put back in the queue.
Several discussions on the state of the process have taken place on the talk page, but there has been no action to make any changes. The project also lacks coordination since the "position" is vacant.
In the last 30 days, only 100 reviewers have made more than 8 patrols and only 50 have averaged one review a day. There are currently 814 New Page Reviewers, but about a third have not had any activity in the past month. All 839 administrators have this permission, but only about a dozen significantly contribute to NPP.
This means we have an active pool of about 450 to address the backlog. We cannot rely on a few to do most of the work as that inevitably leads to burnout. A fairly experienced reviewer can usually do a review in a few minutes. If every active reviewer would patrol just one article per day, the backlog would very quickly disappear.
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New Page Patrol newsletter June 2022
Hello Sagotreespirit,
- Backlog status
At the time of the last newsletter (No.27, May 2022), the backlog was approaching 16,000, having shot up rapidly from 6,000 over the prior two months. The attention the newsletter brought to the backlog sparked a flurry of activity. There was new discussion on process improvements, efforts to invite new editors to participate in NPP increased and more editors requested the NPP user right so they could help, and most importantly, the number of reviews picked up and the backlog decreased, dipping below 14,000[a] at the end of May.
Since then, the news has not been so good. The backlog is basically flat, hovering around 14,200. I wish I could report the number of reviews done and the number of new articles added to the queue. But the available statistics we have are woefully inadequate. The only real number we have is the net queue size.[b]
In the last 30 days, the top 100 reviewers have all made more than 16 patrols (up from 8 last month), and about 70 have averaged one review a day (up from 50 last month).
While there are more people doing more reviews, many of the ~730 with the NPP right are doing little. Most of the reviews are being done by the top 50 or 100 reviewers. They need your help. We appreciate every review done, but please aim to do one a day (on average, or 30 a month).
- Backlog drive
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Barnstars will be awarded.
- TIP – New school articles
Many new articles on schools are being created by new users in developing and/or non-English-speaking countries. The authors are probably not even aware of Wikipedia's projects and policy pages. WP:WPSCH/AG has some excellent advice and resources specifically written for these users. Reviewers could consider providing such first-time article creators with a link to it while also mentioning that not all schools pass the GNG and that elementary schools are almost certainly not notable.
- Misc
There is a new template available, {{NPP backlog}}, to show the current backlog. You can place it on your user or talk page as a reminder:
Very high unreviewed pages backlog: 11528 articles, as of 10:00, 4 November 2024 (UTC), according to DatBot
There has been significant discussion at WP:VPP recently on NPP-related matters (Draftification, Deletion, Notability, Verifiability, Burden). Proposals that would somewhat ease the burden on NPP aren't gaining much traction, although there are suggestions that the role of NPP be fundamentally changed to focus only on major CSD-type issues.
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New Page Patrol newsletter August 2022
Hello Sagotreespirit,
- Backlog status
After the last newsletter (No.28, June 2022), the backlog declined another 1,000 to 13,000 in the last week of June. Then the July backlog drive began, during which 9,900 articles were reviewed and the backlog fell by 4,500 to just under 8,500 (these numbers illustrate how many new articles regularly flow into the queue). Thanks go to the coordinators Buidhe and Zippybonzo, as well as all the nearly 100 participants. Congratulations to Dr vulpes who led with 880 points. See this page for further details.
Unfortunately, most of the decline happened in the first half of the month, and the backlog has already risen to 9,600. Understandably, it seems many backlog drive participants are taking a break from reviewing and unfortunately, we are not even keeping up with the inflow let alone driving it lower. We need the other 600 reviewers to do more! Please try to do at least one a day.
- Coordination
- MB and Novem Linguae have taken on some of the coordination tasks. Please let them know if you are interested in helping out. MPGuy2824 will be handling recognition, and will be retroactively awarding the annual barnstars that have not been issued for a few years.
- Open letter to the WMF
- The Page Curation software needs urgent attention. There are dozens of bug fixes and enhancements that are stalled (listed at Suggested improvements). We have written a letter to be sent to the WMF and we encourage as many patrollers as possible to sign it here. We are also in negotiation with the Board of Trustees to press for assistance. Better software will make the active reviewers we have more productive.
- TIP - Reviewing by subject
- Reviewers who prefer to patrol new pages by their most familiar subjects can do so from the regularly updated sorted topic list.
- New reviewers
- The NPP School is being underused. The learning curve for NPP is quite steep, but a detailed and easy-to-read tutorial exists, and the Curation Tool's many features are fully described and illustrated on the updated page here.
- Reminders
- Consider staying informed on project issues by putting the project discussion page on your watchlist.
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NPP Award
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- @MPGuy2824: Thanks a lot! Really appreciated. — Sagotreespirit (talk) 04:47, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
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- Invitation
For those who may have missed it in our last newsletter, here's a quick reminder to see the letter we have drafted, and if you support it, do please go ahead and sign it. If you already signed, thanks. Also, if you haven't noticed, the backlog has been trending up lately; all reviews are greatly appreciated.
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NPP Award for 2020
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Here is a barnstar to show appreciation for the NPP reviews you did back in 2020. We realize this is late, but NPP fell behind in some coordination activities. We are just getting caught up. If you don't want to receive "old" barnstars, please just ignore this and reply to let us know not to send you any more. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 03:53, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
- @MPGuy2824: Thanks, always appreciated! Doesn't matter if it's "old" or "late." — Sagotreespirit (talk) 17:17, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
- I feel that way too. But we had a reviewer who did not want to be awarded old ones, which explains my message above. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 01:35, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
NPP Award for 2019
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Here is a barnstar to show appreciation for the NPP reviews you did back in 2019. We realize this is late, but NPP fell behind in some coordination activities. We are almost caught up. If you don't want to receive "old" barnstars, please just ignore this and reply to let us know not to send you any more. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:09, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- @MPGuy2824: Thank you, this is fantastic! — Sagotreespirit (talk) 01:52, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
October 2022 New Pages Patrol backlog drive
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New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022
Hello Sagotreespirit,
Much has happened since the last newsletter over two months ago. The open letter finished with 444 signatures. The letter was sent to several dozen people at the WMF, and we have heard that it is being discussed but there has been no official reply. A related article appears in the current issue of The Signpost. If you haven't seen it, you should, including the readers' comment section.
Awards: Barnstars were given for the past several years (thanks to MPGuy2824), and we are now all caught up. The 2021 cup went to John B123 for leading with 26,525 article reviews during 2021. To encourage moderate activity, a new "Iron" level barnstar is awarded annually for reviewing 360 articles ("one-a-day"), and 100 reviews earns the "Standard" NPP barnstar. About 90 reviewers received barnstars for each of the years 2018 to 2021 (including the new awards that were given retroactively). All awards issued for every year are listed on the Awards page. Check out the new Hall of Fame also.
Software news: Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have connected with WMF developers who can review and approve patches, so they have been able to fix some bugs, and make other improvements to the Page Curation software. You can see everything that has been fixed recently here. The reviewer report has also been improved.
Suggestions:
- There is much enthusiasm over the low backlog, but remember that the "quality and depth of patrolling are more important than speed".
- Reminder: an article should not be tagged for any kind of deletion for a minimum of 15 minutes after creation and it is often appropriate to wait an hour or more. (from the NPP tutorial)
- Reviewers should focus their effort where it can do the most good, reviewing articles. Other clean-up tasks that don't require advanced permissions can be left to other editors that routinely improve articles in these ways (creating Talk Pages, specifying projects and ratings, adding categories, etc.) Let's rely on others when it makes the most sense. On the other hand, if you enjoy doing these tasks while reviewing and it keeps you engaged with NPP (or are guiding a newcomer), then by all means continue.
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Backlog:
Saving the best for last: From a July low of 8,500, the backlog climbed back to 11,000 in August and then reversed in September dropping to below 6,000 and continued falling with the October backlog drive to under 1,000, a level not seen in over four years. Keep in mind that there are 2,000 new articles every week, so the number of reviews is far higher than the backlog reduction. To keep the backlog under a thousand, we have to keep reviewing at about half the recent rate!
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error on Amung language
Hi. I reverted your latest edit as an obvious error, but don't know if you intended to add it to the Bayono–Awbono article, or intended something else for the Amung article. — kwami (talk) 21:44, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
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NPP Award for 2022
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- @MPGuy2824: Thanks for the 2022 barnstar. Happy New Year! — Sagotreespirit (talk) 03:56, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023
Hello Sagotreespirit,
- Backlog
The October drive reduced the backlog from 9,700 to an amazing 0! Congratulations to WaddlesJP13 who led with 2084 points. See this page for further details. The queue is steadily rising again and is approaching 2,000. It would be great if <2,000 were the “new normal”. Please continue to help out even if it's only for a few or even one patrol a day.
- 2022 Awards
Onel5969 won the 2022 cup for 28,302 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 80/day. There was one Gold Award (5000+ reviews), 11 Silver (2000+), 28 Iron (360+) and 39 more for the 100+ barnstar. Rosguill led again for the 4th year by clearing 49,294 redirects. For the full details see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone!
Minimum deletion time: The previous WP:NPP guideline was to wait 15 minutes before tagging for deletion (including draftification and WP:BLAR). Due to complaints, a consensus decided to raise the time to 1 hour. To illustrate this, very new pages in the feed are now highlighted in red. (As always, this is not applicable to attack pages, copyvios, vandalism, etc.)
New draftify script: In response to feedback from AFC, the The Move to Draft script now provides a choice of set messages that also link the creator to a new, friendly explanation page. The script also warns reviewers if the creator is probably still developing the article. The former script is no longer maintained. Please edit your edit your common.js or vector.js file from User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js to User:MPGuy2824/MoveToDraft.js
Redirects: Some of our redirect reviewers have reduced their activity and the backlog is up to 9,000+ (two months deep). If you are interested in this distinctly different task and need any help, see this guide, this checklist, and spend some time at WP:RFD.
Discussions with the WMF The PageTriage open letter signed by 444 users is bearing fruit. The Growth Team has assigned some software engineers to work on PageTriage, the software that powers the NewPagesFeed and the Page Curation toolbar. WMF has submitted dozens of patches in the last few weeks to modernize PageTriage's code, which will make it easier to write patches in the future. This work is helpful but is not very visible to the end user. For patches visible to the end user, volunteers such as Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have been writing patches for bug reports and feature requests. The Growth Team also had a video conference with the NPP coordinators to discuss revamping the landing pages that new users see.
- Reminders
- Newsletter feedback - please take this short poll about the newsletter.
- There is live chat with patrollers on the New Page Patrol Discord.
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Wikimedia Foundation project to improve PageTriage
Hi, as an active New Page Patroller, I wanted to make sure you were aware of an upcoming Wikimedia Foundation project to improve the PageTriage extension. We recently published results of user interviews, and have some findings that we would value patrollers' opinions on. If you haven't yet, please consider adding the project page to your watchlist to stay up to date with our progress! Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 13:17, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Disambiguation link notification for March 3
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- Thanks for all your work on this article. I have a fixed a few more links to disambiguation pages but there are quite a few more where I couldn't work out from the context the correct article, so I have tagged these. Could you take another look as you obviously have the specialised knowledge in this area which I lack.— Rod talk 15:18, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Rodw: Thanks, let me take a look. — Sagotreespirit (talk) 06:21, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks. You can highlight links to dab pages by going to your "preferences" (drop down menu top right), choose the "gadgets" tab & scroll down to "Appearance" & put a tick next to "Display links to disambiguation pages in orange".— Rod talk 08:13, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Rodw: Thanks, let me take a look. — Sagotreespirit (talk) 06:21, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
New Page Patrol – May 2023 Backlog Drive
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New Pages Patrol newsletter June 2023
Hello Sagotreespirit,
Backlog
Redirect drive: In response to an unusually high redirect backlog, we held a redirect backlog drive in May. The drive completed with 23851 reviews done in total, bringing the redirect backlog to 0 (momentarily). Congratulations to Hey man im josh who led with a staggering 4316 points, followed by Meena and Greyzxq with 2868 and 2546 points respectively. See this page for more details. The redirect queue is steadily rising again and is steadily approaching 4,000. Please continue to help out, even if it's only for a few or even one review a day.
Redirect autopatrol: All administrators without autopatrol have now been added to the redirect autopatrol list. If you see any users who consistently create significant amounts of good quality redirects, consider requesting redirect autopatrol for them here.
WMF work on PageTriage: The WMF Moderator Tools team, consisting of Sam, Jason and Susana, and also some patches from Jon, has been hard at work updating PageTriage. They are focusing their efforts on modernising the extension's code rather than on bug fixes or new features, though some user-facing work will be prioritised. This will help make sure that this extension is not deprecated, and is easier to work on in the future. In the next month or so, we will have an opt-in beta test where new page patrollers can help test the rewrite of Special:NewPagesFeed, to help find bugs. We will post more details at WT:NPPR when we are ready for beta testers.
Articles for Creation (AFC): All new page reviewers are now automatically approved for Articles for Creation draft reviewing (you do not need to apply at WT:AFCP like was required previously). To install the AFC helper script, visit Special:Preferences, visit the Gadgets tab, tick "Yet Another AFC Helper Script", then click "Save". To find drafts to review, visit Special:NewPagesFeed, and at the top left, tick "Articles for Creation". To review a draft, visit a submitted draft, click on the "More" menu, then click "Review (AFCH)". You can also comment on and submit drafts that are unsubmitted using the script.
You can review the AFC workflow at WP:AFCR. It is up to you if you also want to mark your AFC accepts as NPP reviewed (this is allowed but optional, depends if you would like a second set of eyes on your accept). Don't forget that draftspace is optional, so moves of drafts to mainspace (even if they are not ready) should not be reverted, except possibly if there is conflict of interest.
Pro tip: Did you know that visual artists such as painters have their own SNG? The most common part of this "creative professionals" criteria that applies to artists is WP:ARTIST 4b (solo exhibition, not group exhibition, at a major museum) or 4d (being represented within the permanent collections of two museums).
Reminders
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New pages patrol needs your help!
Hello Sagotreespirit,
The New Page Patrol team is sending you this impromptu message to inform you of a steeply rising backlog of articles needing review. If you have any extra time to spare, please consider reviewing one or two articles each day to help lower the backlog. You can start reviewing by visiting Special:NewPagesFeed. Thank you very much for your help.
Reminders:
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Moi words in West Papuan languages
Hi! I wanted to tell you that most Moi words added after this edit have wrong translations. They are Moi words, just the senses are wrong. You might want to check your source. Allahverdi Verdizade a.k.a. Verdi (talk) 14:17, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
New page patrol October 2023 Backlog drive
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New pages patrol newsletter
Hello Sagotreespirit,
Backlog update: At the time of this message, there are 11,300 articles and 15,600 redirects awaiting review. This is the highest backlog in a long time. Please help out by doing additional reviews!
October backlog elimination drive: A one-month backlog drive for October will start in one week! Barnstars will be awarded based on the number of articles and redirects patrolled. Articles will earn 4x as many points compared to redirects. You can sign up here.
PageTriage code upgrades: Upgrades to the PageTriage code, initiated by the NPP open letter in 2022 and actioned by the WMF Moderator Tools Team in 2023, are ongoing. More information can be found here. As part of this work, the Special:NewPagesFeed now has a new version in beta! The update leaves the NewPagesFeed appearance and function mostly identical to the old one, but updates the underlying code, making it easier to maintain and helping make sure the extension is not decommissioned due to maintenance issues in the future. You can try out the new Special:NewPagesFeed here - it will replace the current version soon.
Notability tip: Professors can meet WP:PROF #1 by having their academic papers be widely cited by their peers. When reviewing professor articles, it is a good idea to find their Google Scholar or Scopus profile and take a look at their h-index and number of citations. As a very rough rule of thumb, for most fields, articles on people with a h-index of twenty or more, a first-authored paper with more than a thousand citations, or multiple papers each with more than a hundred citations are likely to be kept at AfD.
Reviewing tip: If you would like like a second opinion on your reviews or simply want another new page reviewer by your side when patrolling, we recommend pair reviewing! This is where two reviewers use Discord voice chat and screen sharing to communicate with each other while reviewing the same article simultaneously. This is a great way to learn and transfer knowledge.
Reminders:
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Nomination for deletion of Template:Koreanic languages
Template:Koreanic languages has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. toobigtokale (talk) 00:28, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
November Articles for creation backlog drive
Hello Sagotreespirit:
WikiProject Articles for creation is holding a month long Backlog Drive!
The goal of this drive is to reduce the backlog of unreviewed drafts to less than 2 months outstanding reviews from the current 4+ months. Bonus points will be given for reviewing drafts that have been waiting more than 30 days. The drive is running from 1 November 2023 through 30 November 2023.
You may find Category:AfC pending submissions by age or other categories and sorting helpful.
Barnstars will be given out as awards at the end of the drive.