User talk:SausHistorian

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April 2010

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, your addition of one or more external links to the page Record Plant Studios has been reverted.
Your edit here was reverted by an automated bot that attempts to remove links which are discouraged per our external links guideline from Wikipedia. The external link you added or changed is on my list of links to remove and probably shouldn't be included in Wikipedia. I removed the following link(s): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipDf1SsBmAY (matching the regex rule \byoutube\.com). If the external link you inserted or changed was to a media file (e.g. a sound or video file) on an external server, then note that linking to such files may be subject to Wikipedia's copyright policy and therefore probably should not be linked to. Please consider using our upload facility to upload a suitable media file. Video links are also strongly deprecated by our guidelines for external links, partly because they're useless to people with slow internet connections.
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Record Plant

I invite you to upload images that show the Record Plant at Wikimedia Commons so that they can be used on Wikipedia articles all over the globe, in every language. They would, of course, be perfect additions to the Record Plant article, and may be handy on some record label, artist, producer and engineer articles. Binksternet (talk) 01:12, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

July 2011

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to make constructive contributions to Wikipedia, but at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Record Plant, did not appear to be constructive and has been automatically reverted (undone) by ClueBot NG.

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• The following is the log entry regarding this warning: Record Plant was changed by SausHistorian (u) (t) ANN scored at 1 on 2011-07-01T02:28:54+00:00 . Thank you. ClueBot NG (talk) 02:29, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Rent at 2200 Bridgeway

In this edit you removed two phrases about Frager paying rent to Indelicato. Your edit summary hinted at a serious problem: you wrote "I also removed incorrect statements to protect Wikipedia from a lawsuit."

What lawsuit? Over what information? What person would sue, and for what reason?

The information removed was taken from Jim Welte's 2009 article in San Francisco magazine: "Call of the wild". Welte names the amount of monthly rent as being $14,800, and he contrasts between Frager's version of events and Indelicato's. I think his article was balanced because of its fairness in telling both stories. You may disagree, but if there were suits to be filed, they would be against Welte or San Francisco magazine, not against Wikipedia. Here, we take the magazine article as a reliable source and we summarize its contents for the article. Binksternet (talk) 15:51, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

response

Perhaps a better explanation of my edit would have been " I also removed incorrect statements to ensure that Wikipedia does not repeat incorrect information."

I agree that Jim's article is as balanced as it could be, given editorial space restrictions, but that statement about rent is incorrect, because when the business "The Plant Studios" left the building in March of 2008, there was NO rental agreement in place, but an operating agreement.

Didn't mean to upset you - I'm just trying to make sure this article is CORRECT. Additionally, this information has nothing to do with the "Record Plant" and should be on another page entirely. The Record Plant ceased operating at the Sausalito facility after Chris Stone sold the business in the early 80's, as stated elsewhere in the article. To lump it all together causes confusion. SausHistorian (talk) 18:37, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Surprisingly and perhaps frustratingly, Wikipedia does not concern itself so much with truth as it does with WP:Verifiability. Welte's article is verifiable in that he wrote it and it was published. Your assertion that no operating agreement was in place at a certain month and year is unverifiable as it is not published. Binksternet (talk) 19:52, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

FYI : My assertion was that no RENTAL agreement was in place - but I get your point and appreciate your vast knowledge of the workings of Wikipedia. I would appreciate some direction re: how to go about separating the information pertaining to "The Plant Studios" from "The Record Plant." i.e. - how to make a stub, perhaps? SausHistorian (talk) 21:00, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

I think it's best keeping The Plant inside the Record Plant article, even though the business relationship with Stone was severed in 1981. The popular perception of The Plant did not shift greatly after 1981; everybody still thought of it as a continuous entity, and the management promoted the history. Note that the New York Record Plant also separated from Stone and Kellgren, and that part of the article is still nested in the larger topic. There's no separate article for the NY location.

At any rate, if you really wanted to separate the sub-topics, you could click on this red link and start a new article about it: The Plant (recording studio). Binksternet (talk) 22:32, 1 July 2011 (UTC)