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Behairy Arabic moved to draftspace

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Shargawi Arabic moved to draftspace

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What kind of sources do you need? It’s a spoken unregulated and understudied dialect. All I can offer is videos of People speaking it. May be when we do thst more people would study it and then it will have more sources. Same applies for Behairy Arabic.

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SharabSalam You gave me an edit warning for reverting when my reverts were mainly trying to cancel someone’s removal of my edits for which I added references only because he is too opinionated on the subject. What else should I have done?

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Hello User:Sefarat90; why are you insisting to delete me as a Muslim Egyptian? you claim that me, my parents and all my families never identified before as Egyptians? You know that Muslims can be Egyptians too? to say that Muslims identify as Arabs only is wrong, Egyptians first then Arabs will be fair, to say that a Muslim don't identify as Egyptian is not true. Thanks and i would love to talk more Treannmust (talk) 17:23, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Treannmust, please don't personalize this content dispute. It serves no one's interests, least of all resolution to the dispute. El_C 17:27, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

I don't understand man. you are very opinionated. I too am a Muslim Egyptian, but I understand that how Egyptians identified throughout history changed and still changes and I have no problems with that. It's you who are trying to suppress how people identified at specific eras of history only to support one point of view. This is too strange, and it wouldn't serve someone who is trying to gain information or a researcher looking for leads.

No you are putting claims that we did't identify as Egyptians first, that's exactly what you removed, i never removed Arabs or Arabic identity. Muslims in Egypt especially at that era which was way before the Nasser (Strong Nationalism), not all of them even identified with Arabs, the Fellahin whom i am one of have always been way too related to Egypt throughout history and till this day you will find us call our selves Fellahin Masr (the Farmers of Egypt) and the source says so, you just force a slogan where millions of Fellahin never ever used on the whole of us! Putting a Turkish Slogan on how they view others, is not equal to how a whole nation identifies, you just claimed that the whole nation don't even mention Egypt. Treannmust (talk) 17:48, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

This is exactly true.”Egyptians” is an English word that Egyptians obviously didn’t use. Egyptians before the birth of Egyptian Nationalism identified as either Copts or Arabs, and in the upper classes: Turks, Circassians, etc. It is true that many muslims still identified as Muslim Copts, but they weren’t the majority then. The term Masry didn’t mean then what we mean now because people then, when identifying with places names, they identified with city names, (i.e. Al manfalooty, Al Tahtawy, etc.), so the word Masry then meant a person from the cairo area. Not until mid 1800s did they all start identifying as one people named “Masreyeen” that encompassed all the ethnic groups that existed before to form a new Ethnic group. This is the importance of the Nahda era, if you don’t understand that then this is your problem.

No this is not ture at all. First of all Egyptians identified as Masryeen, Ahl El Bald, Fellahin Masr,,,etc. The era you are mentioning no Muslims identified as Copts even the Fellahin, since the word Copt was already shifted to be exclusive to the Christian faith and Coptic Orthodox Church. These are the ethnic groups of the Egyptians. [1]

Also those are our origins: 68% North African, 17% Arab, 4% Jewish Diaspora, 3% Eastern Africa, 3% Asia Minor, 3% Southern Europe. [2]

All are Egyptians, all identify with Egypt. But not all are one "cultural identity", and till today that's the case, forexample you will even find some Muslim Egyptians identifying with their old Jewish diaspora like Karem Kassim forexample who talks about it everywhere he goes. So each group has the freedom to self-identify. Treannmust (talk) 18:19, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Ahl el Balad referred to the people of the Town, things were very localised then. Fallaheen Masr were the Farmers in the Cairo Area. A guy from say, Asyut, would have never Identified as a person from “Fallaheen Masr” then. Read anything written in that era and you will see that. Don’t read books from the 1900s talking about that era in retrospect because the terminology will confuse you. Also, What you are mentioning are not the ethnic groups of Egypt. They are the results of one of the DNA tests that were performed on Samples of Egyptians. Ethnicity is something and gebetics are something else. Your gebetics might say that you are mostly Jewish, but you identify as a Palestinian. These are two different things.

The Fellahin are the farmers of the Countryside, at that time the majoirty of Egypt was countryside, not only around the Capital and the City. The point is Fellahin didn't have such slogans and they were looked at as too inferior, a Turk Pasha would never have a Fellah in his army. Treannmust (talk) 18:50, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

I am not sure what you mean but yes, the majority of Egyptians were Fallahin. Those fellahin, when Identifying with a place, they would identify with either their town’s names, or their markaz names. When identifying with an ethnic group they would identify as either Arabs or Copts. Masreyeen didn’t mean Egyptians then. Ibn Ayas identified as a Masry when he was a Circassian, Al Jabarti was Masry when he was a Somali, that was because both were “Cairene”

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