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Quine–Putnam indispensability argument

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Hi Shapeyness, I very much enjoyed reading your article for FAC; articles with mathematical content are so rare there, so I hope it passes. If by any chance you were able to leave comments at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Affine symmetric group/archive1, I would be grateful. All the best, JBL (talk) 19:35, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi JayBeeEll, I did have a look at the article but was a little intimidated by the technicality and also by the fact that I've never reviewed for FAC before. I will have another look and give it a proper go in the next few days though, hopefully I can give some useful comments. Shapeyness (talk) 20:28, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks very much for whatever you're able to contribute. (This is my first experience with FAC, and the review of Quine–Putnam indispensability argument was my first review; hopefully I'm right in believing that it's not necessary for every reviewer to check every aspect completely.) All the best, JBL (talk) 22:41, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your feedback, reviews, and support in the FA process for Affine symmetric group -- your edits really helped make it a better, clearer article! JBL (talk) 19:18, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

@JayBeeEll: Thank you and congratulations on the article becoming an FA! Shapeyness (talk) 18:55, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Promotion of Quine–Putnam indispensability argument

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Congrats! --JBL (talk) 17:06, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Brilliant work. Well done! Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 20:48, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks JayBeeEll, BennyOnTheLoose. Shapeyness (talk) 12:37, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

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TFA

Hi Shapeyness. I am planning on running Quine–Putnam indispensability argument as the TFA on 21 November. Given how technical the article is, I wondered if you fancied having a go at the blurb? Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:02, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi Gog the Mild, yeah I'd be happy to put something together. Are TFA blurbs basically shortened versions of the article lead or are there any major differences I should be aware of? Thanks. Shapeyness (talk) 22:50, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Working on the assumption that the lead is all that it should be, yes. Hard limits of 925 to 1,025 characters. Note that that includes spaces! Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 00:02, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

@Gog the Mild: would something like this work?

The Quine–Putnam indispensability argument is an argument in the philosophy of mathematics for the existence of abstract mathematical objects such as numbers and sets. One of the most important arguments in the philosophy of mathematics, it is credited to W. V. Quine and Hilary Putnam. The roots of the argument can be traced back to thinkers such as Gottlob Frege and Kurt Gödel, but Quine introduced the argument's key components, including naturalism and confirmational holism. Putnam gave Quine's argument its first detailed formulation, although he later came to disagree with various aspects of Quine's thinking. The argument claims that we should believe in mathematical objects because mathematics is indispensable to science. Many counterarguments have been raised to this idea. An influential argument by Hartry Field claims that mathematical entities are dispensable to science. Other philosophers have argued that we do not need to believe in all of the entities that are indispensable to science.

—Shapeyness (talk) 12:58, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Unsolicited 2c: I suggest moving the sentence "The argument claims ..." to the second sentence of the blurb, on the grounds that "what it is" should come before "how did it come about". (The rest of the flow almost works after a copy-paste, except that the sentence "Many counterarguments ..." would probably need a different pointer than "this idea".) --JBL (talk) 18:48, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Looks good. Two thoughts:

• Is it possible to avoid "The ... arguement is an arguement ..."
• "argument in the philosophy of mathematics ... arguments in the philosophy of mathematics" in the first two sentences seems repetitive. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:50, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks both! I've edited the blurb a bit and added it to TFAR. Shapeyness (talk) 22:18, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

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Thanks Gog the Mild! Just a quick question: would an overhaul of the sourcing like this (comparison with my sandbox) placing Harvard citations into the article prose be problematic – there are no big changes to content but it would still be a major change to the article so not sure if it is better to keep it stable before TFA? FYI the Harvard citations I added are not sourcing content, just linking to primary sources that are quoted or being discussed in the article. Shapeyness (talk) 18:03, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

I don't see a problem with your doing that. No need for an article to be rock solid stable approaching TFA, so long as you stay on top of any changes. (WP:FAOWN is your friend here.) Gog the Mild (talk) 21:59, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Ok thanks I have made the change and left my reasoning on the talk page. Shapeyness (talk) 13:00, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

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Thanks Gerda! Shapeyness (talk) 18:36, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

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