User talk:Shmayo/Archive 1

Template:Syriac_ethnicity

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October 2008

Hello. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary, which wasn't included with your recent edit to Syriac music. Thank you. ناهد/(Nåhed) _speak! 02:13, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Your edits

Instead of removing everything that has to do with aramean-syriacs, why not instead contribute to assyran related articles. AramaeanSyriac (talk) 23:55, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

November 2008

Welcome to Wikipedia. The recent edit you made to Syriac people has been reverted, as it appears to have removed content from the page without explanation. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, please ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thank you. Flewis^(talk) 14:12, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

The recent edit you made to Syriac people constitutes vandalism, and has been reverted. Please do not continue to vandalize pages; use the sandbox for testing. Thank you. Flewis^(talk) 14:17, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Please vote to change name back to original

Hello Shmayo please vote to move the Assyrian/chadlean/syriac people page back to the Assyrian people. Your vote counts here at the "Move PAge back to Assyrian people" on the discussion page of the assyrian article. its toward the end of the page. 69.226.111.182 (talk) 04:29, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Your participation is requested.

Hello Shmayo,

Please provide your input here. The vote to which the user above has referred you, and the discussion concerning it, have been updated.

Thanks.

--Šarukinu (talk) 23:15, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

assryain syriac article

hur kan vi ens ha en artikel som assyrian/chaldean/syriac people artikeln? Den är i jävligt dåligt skick. När vi hade en assrrisk och en syriansk artikel så var det bäst så. Innehållet i Syriac people är helt annorlunda än innehållet i assyrian/chaldean/syriac people. Röstade vi inte för att splitta artikeln? Varför låta en person styra och bestämma medan vi är flera styckna som har röstat för? AramaeanSyriac (talk) 14:25, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Om vi splittrar artikeln så kommer jobbiga disamb-sidor att behövas. Är det inte bättre att ha en artikel än att behöva skapa en disamb-sida och flera artiklar? Och varför ska vi ha flera artiklar för ett och samma folk? Shmayo (talk) 14:36, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Det är två artiklar. en Assyrian people och en Syriac people. Alltså nuvarande artikel är Kass! Dessutom är det otroligt mkt vandalism på aritkeln och edit krig och reverts. två artiklar skulle underlätta allt. AramaeanSyriac (talk) 15:08, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Edit warring

Hi Shmayo, this is a warning to stop edit warring at Middle East and other articles. A quick glance at the history of this page shows that while there has been frequent reverting on the main article, there has been zero discussion about it on the corresponding talk page. Although there appears to be one or two reverts each day, please keep in mind that users can still be blocked for edit warring, regardless of whether they violate the three-revert rule or not. The 3RR is not some kind of magic barrier, and gaming the system is considered equally disruptive. Please stop edit warring or else blocks of some shape or form will have to be issued. Chaldean and The TriZ have also been warned. Thanks, Khoikhoi 23:41, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Ignatius Zakka I Iwas

My apologies. I didn't notice your reversion and also reverted the change. But I did add "Christian convert" which might explain the name and stop a future change. I might not have done anything had I noticed your reversion. Sorry. Student7 (talk) 23:13, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

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June 2009

Welcome to Wikipedia. The recent edit you made to the page List of Syriac people has been reverted, as it appears to be unconstructive. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, please ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thank you. J.delanoy^gabs_adds 22:37, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did with this edit to the page List of Syriac people. Such edits constitute vandalism and are reverted. Please do not continue to make unconstructive edits to pages; use the sandbox for testing. Thank you. J.delanoy^gabs_adds 22:43, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Syria Etymology

Shmayo, please join the discussion on the subject until we can find a proper compromise. In the mean time stop reverting material that is well sourced. I say this with absolute good faith, I am neither part to any of the two sides and my main concern is that this edit-war is harming the Syria article. Please join the discussion on the talk page, and let's find a reasonable compromise. Happy Editing! Yazan (talk) 00:21, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

ANI

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The discussion is about the topic Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Disruption.2C_3RR.2C_vandalism_and_insult_from_User:Shmayo. Thank you.Toddst1 (talk) 14:10, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Please stop WP:Hounding and reverting Dejwono (talk · contribs). It is not constructive and may lead to blocking. In addition, you need to be more WP:Civil in you communication. Toddst1 (talk) 14:14, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm reverting edits that are doing no good! He should read WP:NPOV and old discussions before editing! Shmayo (talk) 14:17, 31 October 2009 (UTC) ^

And plese stop WP:STALKing me. Dejwono (talk) 14:20, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

I have articles that I think I have knowledge in on mine watchlist, that is not stalking. Learn how to discuss. Shmayo (talk) 14:26, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

October 2009

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours for WP:Hounding and edit warring across multiple articles. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make constructive contributions. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|Your reason here}} below, but you should read our guide to appealing blocks first. Toddst1 (talk) 14:17, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

You were clearly WP:Hounding. Your comment seems to indicate intent to continue this conflict. If you continue this behavior after your block is released, you will be blocked for an extended period. Toddst1 (talk) 14:33, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't know if my last post here was removed, or if it wasn't posted because you edited your post while I was writing. Anyway, I just wrote that User:Dejwono's edits are very similar to User:AramaeanSyriac's edit. In fact, it's the second time a new user (the last one was blocked, suckpuppet of AramaeanSyriac) writes exactly the same think as AramaeanSyriac did in the etymology-section in the article of Syria. And this time it makes me very angry, because last time we discussed this very, very much. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Syria#Etyomology, and now he reverted back to the POV-version of AramaeanSyriac again. This should be reverted to the version we talked about here 1. I'll check more carefully if Dejwono is AramaeanSyriac later. Have a nice day! Shmayo (talk) 15:01, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

I suspect it was an edit conflict. Let me look at the edits and we'll see if a WP:CU is necessary. Toddst1 (talk) 15:30, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, what I thought...

Can his edits be undone? After all, AramaeanSyriac was first blocked for his edits. Shmayo (talk) 15:45, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

I believe they have been globally reverted. Toddst1 (talk) 20:52, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Shmayo (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

I reverted a new users edits. This user should have read old discussions about Assyrians/Syrics. His edits shows clearly how it doesn't care about the talkpages. I was following everything that we have said on the talkpages. Again, I was only reverting things that we come to an conclusion to in talkpages, and this users edits was against there conclusions. Still he didn't disscuss. Please check old talkpages! Thank you! Shmayo (talk) 15:17, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Decline reason:

You were blocked for edit warring. Whether you were right or wrong in the dispute is not the point. Edit warring is not the way to resolve disputes. Next time ask for page protection instead. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:02, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

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Alqosh

Alqosh is a Kaldaya town you cannot call it an Assyrian town. it is not true. there are several Alqoshnaye who said that already on the talk page. ܥܝܪܐܩ (talk) 17:00, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't care if it is Chaldean Catholic, Nestorian or Syriac. It's not about the church denomination. Shmayo (talk) 15:45, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

It is an ethnic Assyrian town. Funny how the Assyrian Democratic Movement won Alqosh and Telkepe, the two major Assyrian towns of Chaldean Catholic denomiation, is it not ܥܝܪܐܩ?--Yohanun (talk) 23:56, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Assyrians and Chaldeans

See my comment at Talk:Tel Skuf. It applies to every article where you are pushing to call Chaldeans "Assyrians". You have misunderstood and/or misrepresented the consensus at Assyrian people, which only applies to the title of that article and not to the naming of the Chaldean and Syriac minorities as a whole. (Taivo (talk) 23:36, 29 March 2010 (UTC))

Personal attacks and vandalism

Other than the single time when Shmayo was responding to an inflammatory post by Tis..., I have seen him make no personal attacks or be uncivil. Please don't post an accusation here against him unless you have a link to a difference where he has attacked someone. Calling someone "Assyrian" when they are Chaldean isn't a personal attack whether you like to called an Assyrian or not. It may be misguided or ignorant, I don't know, but it's not a personal attack since it isn't made to disparage or demean. Accusing someone of incivility without proof is, itself, an uncivil act and can lead to blocks of one's editing privileges. (Taivo (talk) 22:07, 30 March 2010 (UTC))

It was intended as a mild incivility warning in respect of "stop your nonsense". He's used this term several times now, but I haven't said the same of him. ܥܝܪܐܩ (talk) 23:12, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Farfetched. When your sources have been proved wrong you're answering "And?" and such things. So stop searching for something to give me a warning. You've already reported me for vandalism, which was removed because it wasn't vandalism. Shmayo (talk) 10:52, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Link from sources

use this link to combat these psuedo-chaldean nationalists http://www.nineveh.com/Chaldeans%20or%20Catholic%20Assyrians.html 69.225.6.161 (talk) 23:26, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

here is another link

http://www.fredaprim.com/pdf/Mr.Fred_Aprims_speech_delivered_during_the_European_Tour.pdf 69.225.6.161 (talk) 21:22, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

http://www.jaas.org/edocs/v16n1/WeAreAssyrians.pdf

http://www.jaas.org/edocs/v14n1/e3.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.225.6.161 (talk) 21:25, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIyaDB6-PSs

source from psuedo chaldo patriarch @ 26 sec- most important 69.225.6.161 (talk) 22:24, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Stop Vandalizing

You should stop vandalizing articles. You have no right to remove an entire page. --King Of Babylonia (talk) 22:26, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Please read what WP:vandalism is. The page is a fork, therefore it should be removed. I'm only redirecting to the already existing article. Shmayo (talk) 09:02, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

The page is not a fork. It represents true information that Chaldeans agree on. Forcing your POV will not solve the problem. If you really want to create a common article, then you should first stop forcing Assyrianization of our articles. Then, you should clean the previous Assyrianization from the existing atticles like Assyrian People and List of Assyrian settlements. I know that your intentions are not to unite our people, but rather to over present the Assyrian minority, which is only a subgroup of the Christians of the Middle East, by annihilate the other Major Christian Groups like Chaldeans. Your intentions are strictly political, which is why you're using the useless tactics of Assyrian Nationalists. Soon the tide will overturn your kind. What I want to know though is why you are forcing a name that your people in Iraq ageed to merge with the common name of our people???? You should really ask yourself the consequence of your actions here!! Do you really think by doing what you've been doing you'll unite our people? I think the only thing you'll get will be more schism resulting in more hatred among our people. --King Of Babylonia (talk) 02:50, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

If you are going to be a productive editor on Wikipedia, King of Babylonia, then you need to get control of your passions and stop your nationalistic harangues. If you can't work productively and civilly with Shmayo and other Assyrian editors, then you need to find something else to do in your spare time besides spouting drivel on Wikipedia. If your efforts on Wikipedia don't become civil and productive, then I'll make sure that you are gone. (Taivo (talk) 03:04, 17 April 2010 (UTC))

Tel Keppe

Until you and King of Babylonia work out a consensus on wording, I'm going to revert Tel Keppe to my last version. Work it out. (Taivo (talk) 23:09, 15 April 2010 (UTC))

Sockpuppetry case

Your name has been mentioned in connection with a sockpuppetry case. Please refer to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Shmayo for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with the guide to responding to cases before editing the evidence page. --Shirik (Questions or Comments?) 04:39, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Final warning for edit warring

Please see this. If you continue to edit war, you may be blocked immediately per our policy on edit warring. This is your final warning. --Deskana (talk) 15:35, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Stalking

Stop stalking me through my contributions or it will be reported and made evident that you are causing disruption. ܥܝܪܐܩ (talk) 17:09, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Just because most A/C/S-pages are in my watchlist, it's not stalking. Shmayo (talk) 17:10, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Ok, i'll give you the benefit of the doubt. ܥܝܪܐܩ (talk) 17:45, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

You are a liar. You are stalking me because you appear wherever my last edits before a break happened to be. ܥܝܪܐܩ (talk) 20:07, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Behaviour

I have been very patient with you so far and initiated a dispute resolution procedure on the talk page. If you fail to respond to what I have proposed, I will have no choice but to report you for edit-warring. ܥܝܪܐܩ (talk) 12:06, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Seems like you can not wait longer than 10 minutes for reply. Patience. Shmayo (talk) 12:09, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Stop reverting immediately after posting a reply. Hypocrite. ܥܝܪܐܩ (talk) 12:19, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Stop editing before discussion is finished. Shmayo (talk) 12:20, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

I have explained in clear English (not your best language I know) on the talk page what I have proposed to do to help achieve a dispute resolution. I did this instead of reverting and edit-warring with you. If you do not respect the process and read my comments on the talk page, I will restore my edits in full. So far I have gone very much out of my way to accommodate your edit-warring attitude, but you are ignoring the good-will and the discussion. ܥܝܪܐܩ (talk) 12:30, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

I did as you said and commented your edits, so don't say I'm the one ignoring discussion here! Both I and Tisq have discussed much more than you before editing. Shmayo (talk) 12:32, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

What on Earth does Tisq have to do with this. He hasn't been here for two weeks. Shmayo I think your English causes you real problems. If you read what I've actually said on the talk page you would have deduced that my restoration of a single edit is a procedural and possibly temporary measure. Now stop edit-warring over nothing. ܥܝܪܐܩ (talk) 12:34, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

He's one of the people that's been active in the articles recently, just because he've not made an edit in two weeks doesn't mean he've left Wikipedia. I think that the problem is our views on discussing here. I think that conscious should be reached before any edits are made. "Now stop edit-warring over nothing" I don't see a redirect of an article as "nothing". Shmayo (talk) 12:44, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

This matter began at Assyrian homeland today and has nothing to do with Tisq. He hasn't edited in this dispute. Keep on-topic. Fine, alternatively I will go with my original suggestion. I was actually trying to help you put forward your objections coherently. ܥܝܪܐܩ (talk) 12:56, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit warring on Assyrianization

Please cease your edit warring on Assyrianization. Stop reverting ܥܝܪܐܩ (talk · contribs) and form a consensus on the article's talk page before taking any further actions. If you must, please attempt dispute resolution. For the past two or three weeks, the editing warring has been between two users, you and ܥܝܪܐܩ. Should either of you continue reverting each other after this warning, you will be blocked for editing warring. — ξ^xplicit 20:07, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

There is a discussion on the NPOV-noticeboard. Two people think that the sentence should be removed, while ܥܝܪܐܩ is not discussing, but is still reverting. Shmayo (talk) 20:10, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

No. Shmayo is taking it as granted to perform a contested revert which has not been endorsed. He will not wait for replies. Two people already supported the sources, so Shmayo has no consensus to speak of. ܥܝܪܐܩ (talk) 20:13, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

The first thing you did when I wrote on the noticeboard was calling me a sockpuppet, and you didn't comment it at all. Well you've been active many days since somebody last wrote there, but you have not written anything, and I don't think you were going too. Shmayo (talk) 20:17, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes and you know very well why I did. So don't play stupid. I'd already discussed it with you for weeks on the article talk page and I've already explained this to you. Now, I am quite busy at the moment so you should be patient and wait for my reply at the discussion. ܥܝܪܐܩ (talk) 20:25, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

I can't see two people in the noticeboard supporting them? You're not even answering to what's said about the sources in the noticeboard. Shmayo (talk) 20:18, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Two people at the article have supported the references. ܥܝܪܐܩ (talk) 20:25, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

There is a totally different discussion in that noticeboard. It's about what the sources actually are saying. That is the current discussion, as Itsmejudith said, a reliable source that is actually saying what's stated should be found, otherwise the sentence should go. But of course, if it is time that you want, I'll wait for reply there. Shmayo (talk) 20:31, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

The discussion there is an extension of the discussion on the article talk page, it isn't separate. So please stop removing things until a proper consensus is found. There are several possible solutions beside removing everything. I will reply to it when I have time. Thankyou for your patience. ܥܝܪܐܩ (talk) 22:18, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Just a notice, ܥܝܪܐܩ was blocked for being a suspected sockpuppet of Izzedine (talk · contribs). — ξ^xplicit 22:09, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Fork

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramean_people

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Syriacs&redirect=no

Sock Puppet of AramaeanSyriac

130.17.218.242 (talk) 03:40, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Assyrian/Syriac/Chaldean Population

Hi,

why are you changing the population numbers in the article "assyrian people"? the 5 million are without the mebers of the maronite church and the maronite chucrch have 3,5 million members inm the world look here http://www.maronite-heritage.com/LNE.php?page=Statistics and the syriac othodox church 2,25 million http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syriac_Orthodox_Church the assyrian chucrch of the east 400,000 the chaldean catholik church have 2,5-3.5 million members http://www.radiovaticana.org/ted/Articolo.asp?c=350377 syriac catholik church 100,000 members http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syriac_Catholic_Church

and in the usa lives 2,2 million Assyrians(Orthodox,Catholics,Maronites) and not 400,000

http://www.aina.org/releases/caamletter.htm

i gonna changes the population numbers up 8 million. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elvis214 (talk • contribs) 12:34, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Because most think that the Maronite population shouldn't be included there. Shmayo (talk) 12:38, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Look in the menu under "Self-designation" there you can read that the maronite church is incluede to this artilce because the "maronites" are syriacs like the members of the syriac orthodox church are someimes called "jacobites" and the maronites do not identfiy them self as arab or something else they idnetfy themself as a part of the Syriac people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elvis214 (talk • contribs) 13:26, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

The number of Maronites calling themselves Assyrians/Syriacs is not big. Some agree that we should include them, some not. I think it's a over statement to say that there are 8.5 million Assyrians/Syriacs. Shmayo (talk) 09:37, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Backing off your Assyrian pushing

Shmayo, you know that your pushing of "Assyrian" in every place where you think it goes is contentious and sparks edit wars. Please leave the Chaldean articles alone if you are unable to keep your Assyrian pushing in check. "Chaldean Christian" is a stable, workable, accurate label for many articles here in Wikipedia. Pushing "Assyrian" into those articles just enflames passions and is against the spirit of consensus and compromise. Work on the articles where "Assyrian" is a useful term and doesn't spark edit wars or enflame passions. I suggest that you leave Chaldean issues alone if the only thing you are doing is forcing the word "Assyrian" into them. --Taivo (talk) 13:38, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Taivo, about the sentence in the Chaldean Christian-article; "This article is about a religious sect and ethnicity is not important", it's both important and interesting. When I first added this statement I showed example of articles of religious groups where ethnicity was written. Shmayo (talk) 13:43, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia is full of other stuff. Sometimes it is helpful to follow the example of another article, but sometimes it is a bad idea because it is inflammatory. You know as well as I do that inserting the word "Assyrian" into a Chaldean article is inflammatory. In the case of Chaldean Christians it doesn't add any major information and just enflames passions. All edits to articles that offer peripheral information must be carefully weighed. The only thing that the ethnicity comment does at Chaldean Christians is to insert the word "Assyrian" into the text. --Taivo (talk) 13:47, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I understand the thing about other stuff. But the ethnicity was actully written in the article for a very long time without anybody saying anything. It was when two new users (or user "Iraq" really wasn't new...) who considered themselves ethnic Chaldeans the discussion about removing everything Assyrian from that article started, which was written by other Chaldean Catholics. Because most Chaldean Catholics here identify themselves as Assyrians (Chaldean, EliasAlucard, Gabr-el, Kaldaya...). So there wasn't much fighting about this before, it was stable. You did also say that the ethnic article of that religious group was Assyrian people, so I thought it would be okay. Because last time the sentence was removed without comment if I remember it right. Shmayo (talk) 14:56, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure where you live or what your native language is, but in America we have a saying, "Let sleeping dogs lie". These articles are stable and they're accurate. Nothing of substance is really added by involving the word "Assyrian" in the text. Most of these Chaldean articles link to the Assyrian people article anyway, either as a wikilink or in the "See Also" section. Putting the word "Assyrian" in the text is the inflammatory part. --Taivo (talk) 16:01, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Delete this abominable sockpuppet redirect

Delete this abominable sockpuppet redirect 69.225.231.120 (talk) 23:09, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

ANI

You are the subject of a discussion on WP:ANI. —Tom Morris (talk) 19:02, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Syrianska FC

I've put forward a new proposal for a lead at Talk:Syrianska FC. Let me know if you have any comments. --Reckless182 (talk) 23:13, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Mesopotamia

Hello, is the region Aram-Nahraim the same as Mesopotamia(Beth Nahrin)? because they have changed the article and I know that you removed Aram-Nahraim from it once --Suryoye85 (talk) 02:16, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Bsheyno! What article? Aram-Nahraim is often considered to be west of Euphrates. Shmayo (talk) 15:24, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Warning,editing,Beneil Dariush page

Hi Shmayo.

please stop editing Beneil Dariush Wikipedia page, his nationality is iranian and he just grew up in USA, and if you want to make sure, this is Beneil Dariush official facebook page, this is his status about his iranian nationality in farsi :

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=867537546621245&id=332096786831993&fref=nf

so please don't edit it again, if you do it again, I'll just have to report you.

With Respect . — Preceding unsigned comment added by P323p (talk • contribs) 03:05, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi P323p, I actually started a section about this in the talk page asking if Dariush is got Iranian citizenship, but still no answer from anyone. I know very well that Dariush is born in Iran (and therefore also speaking Farsi) but he is fighting for USA so I'm pretty sure he got American citizenship, and therefore I seen no reason calling him "Iranian-Assyrian" instead of "American-Assyrian", see what I refered to on his talk page. And why did you use a link to Persian people under his nationality? He is not Persian. Shmayo (talk) 07:48, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

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P323p :

Thank you for response.

yup he fighting for USA and he is an american citizen, but I don't think it could change his nationality, btw even ufc when shows the flags, they show the Iran flag for Beneil, his mom and dad are absolutely iranian/assyrian, and use persian people link for him because iran old name was persia, Iran = Persia

With Respect . — Preceding unsigned comment added by P323p (talk • contribs) 09:57, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Well then I don't know how you are defining nationality. I have not seen UFC do so, and it wouldn't matter, with that type of argumentation why not check what flags Dariush himself raised after his victory?[1] I recommend you to read about previous nationality. Sorry P323p, but you're wrong. Even if his nationality would have been Iranian, that would not make him Persian. Shmayo (talk) 10:36, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

........................ Thanks for response Shmayo :

I know he fighting for USA , he raised the assyrian flag because he is assyrian, and also he raised USA flag because he fighting for them, but absolutely his nationality is determined by the place of birth of parents ( even his self born in iran (assyrian/iranian), btw, search in google about persian people ... iran is the modern name of persia, persian people and iranian ppl are the same, it doesn't matter call an iranian, persian or iranian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by P323p (talk • contribs) 04:24, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

P323p, please read this about the opening paragraph on Wikipedia. That is his previous nationality. Shmayo (talk) 09:46, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

I don't know who wrote that, but also good source :

www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/difference-between-nationality-and-citizenship/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by P323p (talk • contribs) 05:12, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

P323p, that is not a good source unfortunately. Those are the guidelines of Wikipedia. Shmayo (talk) 13:45, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

I've said my two cents at the ANI you started. In a nutshell, people living in America aren't necessarily Americans, particularly when they leave a war zone. They typically don't lose their original citizenship. Some permanent residents later get full citizenship, but not required. They can work without it, as Dariush might. Not sure, either way, which is why we need a source saying as much. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:38, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Hadn't realized the ANI was already archived. My two cents were deleted, but here they are, in case you want them. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:02, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Assyrian singers

First it is not my first edit i know how to work here and Some people of that page are Arameans like Josef Özer with your Assyrian propoganda

Shlamel logoe

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Assyrian people

Reverted some fraud. Sorry, some of your edits got caught up in the revert. — kwami (talk) 06:58, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

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To be honest with you I have never seen any of the people included within the "picture section" except Andre Agassi but who is half Assyrian and half Armenian. (btw I have never visited Sweden and most of them are ethnic Assyrians living/born in Sweden). I think the "picture section" should include prominent people from the past. Also, it is better to have current clergymen than footballers since the religious affiliation is the main issue within Assyrian identity from what I see written in the Assyrian article. MyNewAccountName (talk) 21:01, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi and thank you for writing, I think it could be good discussing this. First of all, I think the seven row that are there now are a little bit too much already, your version with eight rows is definitely too much in my personal opinion. I've checked similar articles; most have five or six rows. Anyway, yes, the infobox should contain prominent people, but these people should be notable and known outside the Assyrian community in some way. Sure, Shamoun Hanna Haydo is well known among us Assyrians from Tur Abdin, especially in Turo d'Izlo, but I really don't think someone like Hanna Haydo is suitable for the Assyrian people infobox just because of that. I think this is the case with most of the people you added. When it comes to clergymen and footballers, none is better than the other in any way. It may be the main issue for you, but not necessarily for other Assyrians today. But I agree that some of the current people perhaps should be removed, like the Fares brothers, Sanharib Malki and maybe some more. Helena Guergis, for example, is someone I'd like you add, but unfortunately I can not find a picture of her that is free to use. My suggestion is rather to try to remove five of the existing (Fares brothers, Sanharib Malki, Jimmy and someone else maybe?), making it six rows instead. Shmayo (talk) 23:04, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi and thank you for the reply, I agree with you that 7-8 rows is a lot and it has to be the standard 5-6 rows. Go ahead and as you suggested remove the Fares brothers, Sanharib Malki, Jimmy Durmaz and the fifth whoever you choose. (As I said before I do know most of these people and it will be difficult for me to make a suggestion who has to be the fifth to be removed). Hope we will have other discussions in the future. MyNewAccountName (talk) 03:52, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

I made the change. Regarding the Terms for Syriac Christians article, what does that citation have to do with Lebanese Maronites? Did you even open that link? Shmayo (talk) 13:16, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Just FYI looks like all the images will be removed soon as per Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ethnic groups#Proposal for the deletion of all the galleries of personalities from the articles about ethnic groups -- Moxy (talk) 16:55, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Many thanks for the change. I opened the link. The citation has to do with Maronites in Israel, a subgroup of the Lebanese Maronites, and their new tendency for Aramean ethnic identity.MyNewAccountName (talk) 18:18, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the information, Moxy. Probably a good decision. MyNewAccountName, Israeli Maronites are not a subgroup of Lebanese Maronites. Shmayo (talk) 11:04, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

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