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Happy editing! ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 20:14, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

What does "is referred to" mean?

I've reverted your edits to Basmala because they don't make sense. Doug Weller talk 12:04, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

There is a difference between al-Basmala and at-Tasmiyyah which isn't mentioned. Hence to make it clear, I made the edit. This is taught in all Arabic Grammar. Shoaibagoo (talk) 19:53, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

This is basic grammar. I don't understand the reason of the revert. Shoaibagoo (talk) 19:55, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

"is referred to" means IT ACTUALLY MEANS. Both of these are used synonymously wrongly. This ain't actually the case. The usage of al-Basmala and at-Tasmiyyah is different, even if Basmala is the longer version.

So, please undo your revert or I'll have to edit agian. Shoaibagoo (talk) 20:06, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

I think there’s a language problem. I’m guessing you mean Tasmiyah refers to بِسْمِ ٱللَّٰهِ, bi-smi llāhⁱ) and Basmalah refers to {{lang|ar|بِسْ but even that sp isn’t clear, plus of course you need a source. I think you need a longer, sourced explanation. Doug Weller talk 20:21, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

No, you are wrong.

Basmala is the long form and Tasmiyyah is the short form. Period.

This is exactly what was meant in the edit.

al-Basmala refers to بِسْمِ ٱللهِ الرَّحْمٰنِ الرَّحِيْمِ, Bi-smi llāhi r-raḥmāni r-raḥīmⁱ and at-Tasmiyyah refers to بِسْمِ ٱللهِ, Bi-smi llāhⁱ

I can't put it more simply or concise than this. I think it is an problem of understanding rather than language, because anyone who has read basic Arabic knows this and it is not mentioned in the Wiki page is a shame.

I don't think it needs any source. It like saying mention the source for saying ABCD... is the alphabet.

As I informed you previously, I'm making the edit again. Shoaibagoo (talk) 18:37, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

• Hello Shoaibagoo, I read basic Arabic and did not know this. I also did not find a source for it, though I haven't looked thoroughly. The WP:BURDEN is on you to provide a reliable source for this. If it's a well-known fact, presenting us with a source shouldn't be too difficult. Thanks! ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 18:32, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

June 2022

Hi Shoaibagoo! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia – it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Please see Help:Minor edit for more information. A lot of new editors don’t understand this. Doug Weller talk 19:48, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Dear Doug,

I agree it wasn't a minor edit. Thanks for letting me know. Shoaibagoo (talk) 20:04, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, I'm Doug Weller. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Hakim ibn Hizam, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. nothing in that source said famously known, etc - you simply copied that from another site. Doug Weller talk 13:48, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

I didn't copy it from anywhere. I'm a Sunni Muslim and have studied Islam. It is indeed famously known that he was the only person ever born inside Ka'bah. I don't understand why Wikipedia doesn't make these obvious edits. Thanks to the administrators.

It is also known in Shi'a tradition, that Ali was born inside Ka'bah, although there is no authentic source to prove that claim.

I paraphrased and maybe it was similar to some website. I provided the source for reference not for vis-à-vis quote. Refer to Sahih Muslim 1532b, the 2nd most authentic book of Hadith in Muslim tradition.

If you want the actual quote in quotations, here it is:

"A hadith like this has been transmitted on the authority of Hakim b. Hizam (Imam Muslim) said:

Hakim b. Hizam was born inside the Ka'ba and lived for one hundred and twenty years."

This is, in fact, very well known in Muslim lands and to students of knowledge/scholars of Islam.

I don't understand what better reference to give than the book established as authentic in Islam and many of the knowledge of Islam and resulting Wikipedia pages come from these Hadith books.

I'll try to be more clear and edit within Wikipedia guidelines next time.

For now, I suppose paraphrasing and then adding the quote of Sahih Muslim would be enough. There is no copyright infringement on Sunnah.com or if you want I can provide the source of a printed Sahih Muslim from English version of Darussalam Publications with Page Number, for your peace.

Please try to be more flexible. Shoaibagoo (talk) 20:21, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello Shoaibagoo! Here on Wikipedia, the use of primary sources like ahadith is strongly discouraged, and they should never be used to imply a certain interpretation of events (including representing them as historically accurate), for which we require secondary sources: please see Wikipedia:No original research#Primary, secondary and tertiary sources. Moreover, all secondary sources should be WP:INDEPENDENT from their subject matter, which in the case of religious subjects means that we require secular, academic sources.

If you are not familiar with such sources, and usually base your knowledge on Islamic sources, this may not be the right wiki for you. Unfortunately, there does not seem to be a Sunni equivalent of WikiShia, but it appears to me that such may be a more appropriate project for your expertise. Of course, you're free to edit Wikipedia from a secular point of view, for example on non-religious topics. Thanks for taking this into consideration, ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 08:36, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia and copyright

Hello Shoaibagoo! Your additions to Hakim ibn Hizam have been removed in whole or in part, as they appear to have added copyrighted content without evidence that the source material is in the public domain or has been released by its owner or legal agent under a suitably-free and compatible copyright license. (To request such a release, see Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission.) While we appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, there are certain things you must keep in mind about using information from sources to avoid copyright and plagiarism issues.

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• Aside from limited quotation, you must put all information in your own words and structure, in proper paraphrase. Following the source's words too closely can create copyright problems, so it is not permitted here; see Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing. Even when using your own words, you are still, however, asked to cite your sources to verify the information and to demonstrate that the content is not original research.
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It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices, as policy requires that people who persistently do not must be blocked from editing. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to leave me a message on my talk page. Copied perhaps from https://hadithanswers.com/was-hakim-ibn-hizam-born-in-the-kabah/ although it may be elsewhere as well. Thank you. Doug Weller talk 13:46, 11 June 2022 (UTC)