User talk:Smuskal

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Hello, Smuskal, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions.

I noticed that one of the first articles you created or edited was Steven Muskal, which appears to be an article about yourself. Writing about yourself is a common mistake made by new Wikipedians.

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Steven Muskal moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Steven Muskal. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it has no sources. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Wikishovel (talk) 22:04, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Sources have been added as have cross-reference to company. My apologies, order of articles entered should have been reversed. Please move back. Smuskal (talk) 23:24, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Promotion is prohibited

Hello, Smuskal. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

• avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization, clients, or competitors;
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In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.

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• It is extremely important that you cease creating articles in Wikipedia main space about yourself and the company you work for. If your only intent in creating this account was to write about yourself, you will likely find yourself blocked from editing.-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 23:34, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

I am perplexed. I am the founder of Eidogen-Sertanty, a company over 20 years old. I was asked why we didn't have a wiki page recently, so I started the creation process. I made the error of creating a factual, non-promotional page detailing information on me, the company founder (me) first. I have since created a factual, non-promotional company page. If you are suggesting the founder of the company can't create a page on the company, are you suggesting we pay someone to do this on our behalf. I can assure you the content provided is not biased, only factual. I would be hesitant to pay a wiki content creator. Smuskal (talk) 23:46, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

I don't think you'll be perplexed if you read through the message and corresponding links I provided. Wikipedia is not a directory or a platform for you to write about yourself and your company. Wikipedia articles are created about individuals and companies that meet our notability criteria, written by volunteers that are not affiliated with the topics they write about. It is not a directory. See Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not about YOU and Wikipedia:Yes, it is promotion, which should answer most of your questions.-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 23:57, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

It seems odd that wiki would enable initial page creation by parties not necessarily familiar with a company, and prohibit a company principle from providing the basic information. As a founder of the company, I am most informed to create the initial Page. It’s not like we are seeking promotion. Again, the company is over 20 years old!

Are you suggesting we need to engage a wiki content creator? If so, please provide a list of “legitimate”

parties. I am concerned there are many frauds out there. Smuskal (talk) 00:03, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Again, this is not a directory. Wikipedia has articles on notable topics based on coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject, not pages created by accounts with a vested interest in the topics. I'm absolutely not suggesting that you hire a content creator (see WP:PAID). What I'm explaining is that you should not be attempting to create these articles at all. I'm not sure how you could review all of the links to our policies and guidelines regarding autobiographies and conflicts of interests I've linked to and still believe that it's acceptable to use Wikipedia as a platform to write about yourself and your company.-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 22:37, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Eidogen-Sertanty (November 16)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Cabrils was:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Eidogen-Sertanty and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
• If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
• If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Cabrils (talk) 02:57, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Several additional sources have been added. Smuskal (talk) 05:42, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Smuskal! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Cabrils (talk) 02:57, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Eidogen-Sertanty (November 16)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Ratnahastin was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Eidogen-Sertanty and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
• If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
• If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Ratnahastin (talk) 13:23, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello - several references were added from well read, reliable, and noteworthy publications in the last iteration. These were not just passing mentions of the company, but significant works by the organization. Additional references can be added which have utilized the company’s products in methods and mentioned in reference lists - but you would have to read the papers to understand this. Is that what is necessary to address your objection(s)? Smuskal (talk) 15:45, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Eidogen-Sertanty (December 13)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Liance was:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Eidogen-Sertanty and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
• If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
• If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

~Liance^talk 22:00, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

I am confused. I noted several additions to the draft referencing works of significance with secondary and tertiary references. The references are quite detailed. Have you not read them? Smuskal (talk) 23:13, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Eidogen-Sertanty (April 7)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Greenman was:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Eidogen-Sertanty and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
• If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
• If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Greenman (talk) 16:50, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Steven Muskal

Hello, Smuskal. This is a bot-delivered message letting you know that Draft:Steven Muskal, a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Drafts that have not been edited for six months may be deleted, so if you wish to retain the page, please edit it again or request that it be moved to your userspace.

If the page has already been deleted, you can request it be undeleted so you can continue working on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 23:05, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Steven Muskal

Hello, Smuskal. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or draft page you started, "Steven Muskal".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:01, 15 May 2024 (UTC)