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The Signpost: 12 November 2012[edit]

Adoption[edit]

Hi! I'm a new user on Wikipedia, and would like to be adopted and take your course. What do I need to do to become adopted by you? B. Jakob T. (talk) 21:57, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there...sorry about the delay. If you wanted to take the course, just introduce yourself here, and we can get started on the policies lesson :) Steven Zhang Help resolve disputes! 17:55, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, my username is B. Jakob T., but my signature looks like this: Jakob. I have been on Wikipedia since the 19th of October, and I have attempted to create one article, but it wasn't notable enough. I am currently trying to create this. I would like to contribute to articles, i.e. fixing grammatical errors or removing disambiguation, and I would also like to fight vandalism. Thanks, Jakob 21:17, 26 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

British & Irish topic ban repeal?[edit]

Howdy Steven. Would you & DBD review my contributions? see if I'm reformed? GoodDay (talk) 19:41, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I made comments but as I'm unlikely to be active enough to debate them I've withdrawn them by "rollback". Consider them stricken. Pedro :  Chat  21:03, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I read the comments Pedro made, and he makes a good point. I think you should consider taking them on board. Steven Zhang Help resolve disputes! 17:58, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I read Pedro's (now deleted) posts, too. I'm not certain as to what my self-declaration of being a Canadian republican, has to do with British & Irish articles. FWIW, I don't make pro-republican edits or arguments at Canadian monarchial articles. GoodDay (talk) 07:49, 26 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

May I please have my topic ban lifted? I wish to expand my gnome edits. GoodDay (talk) 02:36, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What is your evidence that you are a reformed character? Assume we haven't been watching closely; do the work for us. DBD 11:56, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Here's 3 examples: [1], [2] & [3]. GoodDay (talk) 16:03, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It's almost Christmas, and I'm in a generous mood, and while I've not had any angry mobs on my talk page for some time, it might be best to provide more info as DBD asks above. Steven Zhang Help resolve disputes! 12:01, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Over 90% of my contributions have been gnome style. My edit summaries will lead you to them: Fix intro, The article 'is' the biography, Removing empty sections etc etc. GoodDay (talk) 15:51, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I've given 3 examples. Do you both require more? and if so, how many? GoodDay (talk) 02:33, 20 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Here's 3 more [4], [5] & [6], there's more on the way. It may take awhile, but I'll give yas over 50 for starters. Other then that, I not completely certain as to what you're both looking for. GoodDay (talk) 08:48, 20 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
How about an argument against? Pick someone whom you've rubbed up the wrong way before and ask them to provide us with reasons (and evidence) why not. DBD 12:12, 20 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't going to comment when I saw this pop up on my watch list because it gets tired having to see the same thing over and over. But seeing the DBD mentioned having someone who had issues with him in the past provide reasons why not. I can say just looking at his current talk page alone and not doing any further digging than that I can find no less than 5 threads going back only to the 29th of November warning him for the same behaviour that lead to both of his topic bans. User talk:GoodDay#Associate justices of the Supreme Court of the US, User talk:GoodDay#A fair warning, User talk:GoodDay#NLP, User talk:GoodDay#Scott, User talk:GoodDay#WP:OPENPARA. I should note I won't get any further into the situation here. I am sure if he went to AN to try and have the topic ban removed others would find a lot more than that if they looked through his edit history. -DJSasso (talk) 13:37, 20 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
May I point out Dan, all but the NLP issue was resolved & within a short period of time. There's going to always be editors who'll throw negativity at me or try & keep me down. I'm not going to humiliate myself by kissing their asses. But I will avoid those continuing disputes on the British & Irish articles. Disputes like 1) What to name Derry, 2) Is a person British or Welsh, 3) Is Scotland a country or constituent country, 4) What is Northern Ireland -- questions such as these are no longer relevant to me. Furthermore, if you recall, some of the editors who agreed to the topic-ban, did so because I agreed to it - remeber the result was 50/50. Otherwise, I never would've been banned in the first place. GoodDay (talk) 16:06, 20 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Here's 4 more examples [7], [8], [9] & [10] of the types of edits I wish to make on British & Irish articles. GoodDay (talk) 23:32, 20 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawing my appeal. I thought these community topic-bans were suppose to be preventative, not punitive :( GoodDay (talk) 06:32, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think we are making it punitive. You've shown places that you've done gnome edits, and that's great, but the reason you were topic banned from these articles is because of how you interacted with others, and because of your attitudes. What I want to know is what's changed with how you deal people? What will you do differently to avoid conflict with other users? Steven Zhang Help resolve disputes! 07:47, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Along with respecting the aforementioned 4 conditions, I won't be immediately reverting editors who revert my edits & will respect the D in BRD more closely. Furthermore, I'll make greater efforts to AGF with disputing editors. GoodDay (talk) 08:00, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Steven - I made a suggestion to GoodDay about restrictions and mentoring here which he accepted. I may regret it, but willing to give it a go. What do you think? ----Snowded TALK 07:03, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I look forward to seeing it going well. DBD 12:36, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
@Snowded, the conditions seem reasonable. If you could please keep an eye on GoodDay on these articles (I will do my best to as well) and let me know if there are any problems. @GoodDay, your topic ban is lifted subject to the restrictions imposed by Snowded. Please be very careful. Steven Zhang Help resolve disputes! 02:12, 24 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. GoodDay (talk) 04:59, 24 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 19 November 2012[edit]

Due to your prior request, I have started an RfA review for you. I have others ongoing as well, and may not get them completed in order. I will notify you when I'm done, but may also notify you if I (or others) have questions for you to answer. For now, I would request you go and answer the existing questions at the bottom of the review page. Dennis Brown - © Join WER 18:28, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there...thanks so much, but for the time being, I think I need to focus all my energy on rounding up my fellowship. I'll have much more free time once that's concluded. Raincheck? Steven Zhang Help resolve disputes! 11:04, 9 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
By all means. Ping me when you are ready, I will be happy to review at any time. Dennis Brown - © Join WER 17:20, 9 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 26 November 2012[edit]

Information[edit]

I noticed your username commenting at an Arbcom discussion regarding civility. An effort is underway that would likely benifit if your views were included. I hope you will append regards at: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Civility enforcement/Questionnaire Thank you for considering this request. My76Strat (talk) 08:46, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 03 December 2012[edit]

The Signpost: 10 December 2012[edit]


did you vote?[edit]

hi there, your vote in ArbCom elections triggered a spoof CSRF alarm. Would you be so kind as to please confirm that you actually voted? :) Apologies for the inconvenience. Pundit|utter 07:33, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I seem to be always causing trouble nowadays ;-). Yes, I confirm that I did vote in the election (I have no idea what that alarm is though :-)) Steven Zhang Help resolve disputes! 08:33, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Winter Wonderland[edit]

Peace is a state of balance and understanding in yourself and between others, where respect is gained by the acceptance of differences, tolerance persists, conflicts are resolved through dialog, peoples rights are respected and their voices are heard, and everyone is at their highest point of serenity without social tension.

Happy Holidays. ```Buster Seven Talk 15:25, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Policies Lesson[edit]

Many policies on Wikipedia are important. Some, like staying civil, signing your post on talk pages, and not vandalizing, are common sense.

However, other policies, such as sourcing, are not as clear. This policy states that you should not make edits that make claims or state facts if you do not have a reliable source. The trick part comes in when you ask the question, what is considered reliable? Sources like Twitter or Myspace are definitely not.

Another policy that is not very clear is notability. This states that if it does not have enough reliable sources to back it up, then it is not worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia.

To sum it up, policies try to keep Wikipedia an encyclopedia, not an advertising noticeboard, and also just to remind users to use common sense. Jakob 15:23, 15 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's good. When you say the policy is unclear, do you mean you don't understand the meaning of it, or you just feel it's vague/unclear? If it's the former, please let me know and I'll try and explain it to you a bit better. If it's the latter, well, a lot of policies are a bit vague, but it's more important at times to follow the spirit of policy, rather than just what it says (the "letter"). But it seems like you've grasped the basics. Let me know when you want to move on to another lesson. Regards, Steven Zhang Help resolve disputes! 12:00, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for responding so late... When I said unclear, I meant that it's vague, but I understand the spirit. Sure, I'm ready to move on to the next lesson. –Jakob 15:23, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
OK, read over the Vandalism 1.1 lesson - let me know when you've read it and I'll give you the test. Steven Zhang Help resolve disputes! 22:45, 27 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Do you want me to do what you say in the lesson, like, finding three vandalizing edits? Oh, and I use Mozilla Firefox as my browser. Jakob 15:58, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 17 December 2012[edit]

Letting you know.[edit]

I've made one last request to Djsasso, to leave me alone. GoodDay (talk) 21:36, 20 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Mediation for Jerusalem[edit]

Regarding your suggestion for mediation for Jerusalem, I agree with you that mediation would probably be better. The talk page of the article right now is a disaster, very disjointed and hard to follow, and I imagine the RfC would look no worse. There are already too many cooks in the kitchen, and I doubt anyone else would want to enter. Not to mention that participation in past RfCs hasn't exactly been a cross-section of the Wikipedia community.

But if ArbCom can't enjoin mediation, so you say, um... how would we get mediation? Mediation was attempted just last month, and it was rejected. If mediation isn't involuntary, we could conceivably (perhaps likely) face the same problem, with some people not wanting to participate (thereby preventing the RfM from being accepted). And how would its results be assured to have permanence? -- tariqabjotu 06:02, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Mediation can happen anywhere - it doesn't have to be at MedCom. I'm not naive enough to think such a mediation would resolve the dispute alone (you never know, anything is possible) but I think it is best that we try and work through proposed lede sections and get a few alternatives, then take those to a binding RFC. It's worked well in the past, and I think it'd work well here. Steven Zhang Help resolve disputes! 06:08, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, it doesn't have to. But you'd have to agree it'd be a bit odd for MedCom to reject this issue only for it to be mediated anyway (esp. since I saw the conversation that led to it being rejected). I won't say who that reflects poorly upon... In that case, I don't see why -- if you're up for the challenge -- you wouldn't just give it a shot. Right now, the discussion is in dire need of structure, if nothing else. The state of the talk page now is a set of threads and subthreads running in parallel (or perpendicular perhaps). It's hard to follow what's going on, and it's not clear which ideas are floating to the top. -- tariqabjotu 06:27, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think the problem is that there's no forum that will serve as a location for the dispute. I have no problems creating structure and ground rules, and getting people to compromise, but the Mediation Cabal (where I used to do all informal mediation) was closed earlier this year, so it only leaves us with a few venues. You mention there was a conversation which led to the MedCom request being rejected? Do you mind showing me that discussion? Steven Zhang Help resolve disputes! 11:50, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
What's wrong with doing it on the talk page or a subpage of the talk page? The conversation I was talking about was on the MedCom mailing list (as I am a member of the Committee, and thus am on the list), so I obviously can't show it to you. I don't mean to imply there was anything unusual or damning there, though; I just mean I observed some of the thought process that led to the RfM's rejection. -- tariqabjotu 15:31, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I totaly agree with Tariqabjotu's comments here above. I wrote the same to the ArbCom too.
RfC is difficult to manage. We can already see this on the talk page. Only a Mediation can solve the issue even if this also will be difficult to manage.
What is demoralizing is also that it just concerns 1 sentence (at best 1 paragraph) in a lead.
Reasonnable people could solve this in 15 minutes with some good will.
I suggest that the whole discussion is brought to a dedicated talk page or forum with special rules in particular regarding the interferences of people clearly would not want to discuss a constructive way.
Pluto2012 (talk) 15:09, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thought about this for a while, but I think that my best course of action to proceed would be for me to try and be a closer of the RFC. I put my name forward so I will see how that goes, I guess. Steven Zhang Help resolve disputes! 22:44, 27 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

BigzMMA accusation - again![edit]

Hello Steve, not too sure if you remember but a few months ago you were asked by User:Dennis Brown to give him your opinion over whether you believe that a blocked user called BigzMMA and myself were one in a same person.

Well now another SPI has been opened with very little more 'evidence' to this theory to say that we are the same. I am writing to ask if you could contribute to the case. I am not expecting you to defend me, but considering that you are indeed neutral to this situation (Dennis Brown did say that he felt that we are the same person), your opinion would be the most fairest, regardless of whether you don't believe I am BigzMMA or I am. Here is the link for the SPI, so when you get a minute if you could contribute to the case I would very much appreciate it. Thank you. Pound4Pound (talk) 10:53, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Holiday cheer[edit]

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The Signpost: 24 December 2012[edit]

SPI clerking[edit]

Steven, given you have only made three edits in the last three months to SPI cases, it appears you are mostly inactive as an SPI clerk now. Please stand down as a clerk or move yourself to inactive (whichever you prefer) so that we can get a better idea of how many active clerks we have. Thanks. --(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 16:06, 26 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dan. SPI is something I actually want to get back into in the new year. I'll move myself to inactive for now but will be active again within the next month. Hope you had a good Christmas. Steven Zhang Help resolve disputes! 22:17, 26 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Feel free to move yourself back to active once you return to activity. --(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 15:02, 27 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Meetup invitation: Melbourne 26[edit]

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G'day[edit]

Looking at the recent contributions of GoodDay, who lists you as a mentor, I note a series of minor edits to several people who happen to share the same name as a close family member. He has also made several provocative posts over the past few days, trying to draw my attention on trivia and being generally disruptive. The Redirect thing is a case in point.

This is a disturbing trend, and if you could keep an eye on him, I would be grateful. --Pete (talk) 17:24, 28 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

How is nominating a redirect for deletion, disruptive? GoodDay (talk) 20:12, 28 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hiya Steven. I don't understand his "...close family member" comment, but I've gotten over my frustrations with his SPA-style. I'm re-concentrating on my gnoming. GoodDay (talk) 19:20, 28 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 31 December 2012[edit]

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Advice[edit]

Sorry to bother you, as I would imagine you've got plenty of other things going on, but I've noticed that you're involved in DR and wondered if you could offer any advice here. There has recently been a contentious discussion at the administrators' noticeboard stemming from the Apteva RfC. I don't think that the status quo over there (deliberating over potential sanctions and occasionally charged discussions about exactly who is correct on certain issues) is going to solve the problem; the problem arises from a persistent band of users who dislike elements of the MoS.

My question is this: what steps would you suggest we (those involved in this discussion) take to resolve the dispute at the root of the commotion? If this isn't very clear, or if you aren't able to reply, please let me know (it's no big deal). Thanks, dci | TALK 02:11, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. Sorry about the delay. Having a neutral party guide the discussion into the right direction is generally a good way of keeping things focused. Do you have a neutral party involved? Steven Zhang Help resolve disputes! 02:44, 15 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I am a neutral party, as are a few of the other editors who have become involved in the current, somewhat quieted discussion. Our main problem has become how best to wrap the issue up. dci | TALK 01:34, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to ask questions about a dispute resolution RfC, that I initiated, currently under discussion at Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#talk:Paul_Krugman. I am unfamiliar with the dispute resolution noticeboard RfC process and am contacting you per your listing at Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard/Volunteering#List_of_the_DRN_volunteers. Am I asking these question in the right place?

1) The RfC in question seems to be an "Opening comments" phase.

2) As the initiator of the RfC, should I add an Opening comment? When is it proper for me to enter the discussion?

3) Are the phases (e.g. "Opening comments") of the RfC process documented? Where?

4) Will I be messaged/notified when my input is needed?

5) I initiated the RfC on the narrow topic of a specific undone edit, the reason given for that undo, and subsequent discussion of the undo reason on the article's talk page. My reading of the RfC opening comments suggest that some participants are addressing broader, article-level, not edit-level issues. How do I determine what the scope of the RfC is/should be? Who/what specifies the scope of the RfC and associated discussion?

Hello there. With DRN, it's not structured like an RFC at all, it's completely different and volunteers should be able to assist with this for you if it hasn't already been sorted. Regards, Steven Zhang Help resolve disputes! 02:44, 15 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Deicas (talk) 03:21, 12 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Heh, I really should help out there more. My fellowship ends today, so I will be back very soon. Regards, Steven Zhang Help resolve disputes! 02:46, 15 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Whenever you can. Hope the fellowship was everything you hoped it would be.--Amadscientist (talk) 03:18, 15 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Where are all the volunteers? This is a pretty huge backlog :/ Steven Zhang Help resolve disputes! 03:20, 15 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Bendigo workshops 2013[edit]

Hi Steve, you know all about this, but here is an invite for you as an active Victorian wikipedian. Wikimedia Australia will be holding an introductory training day for editing Wikipedia and related projects. With support from La Trobe University and Bendigo Community Health Services, it is for health information professionals across the region. It will also be open to other information community groups as well (regional historic societies, librarians and the like). The workshop is on Thursday, February 21, at Latrobe University Bendigo. If you can help, please contact Leighblackall or Peterdownunder, or register directly at the Wikimedia page.--Peterdownunder (talk) 06:19, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Peter, I'd love to go, but I will be in San Francisco for a week from the 19-26th Feb, so I will miss it. Hope it all goes well though :) Steven Zhang Help resolve disputes! 09:16, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The Signpost: 11 February 2013[edit]

hmmm ...[edit]

might work. Heaven knows you've certainly served your time. And in honorable fashion and with extreme dedication I might add. How ya doin buddy? How's the family? — Ched :  ?  14:42, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe one day, Ched. Family is good. I'm gonna give you a ring in the next few days. It's been too long. Steven Zhang Help resolve disputes! 13:16, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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