User talk:Stifle/Archive 1008c

Pioneer Courthouse Square

Hi, and thanks for your message on my talk page. I don't know how familiar you are with the history of the Pioneer Courthouse Square article vandalism; blocked user Pioneercourthouse has been adding the same POV/OR block of text to the article over and over again using a number of different socks (see Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Pioneercourthouse and the ANI discussion). It is a case of trolling, not a content dispute, and I've been given to understand that 3RR doesn't apply when reverting vandalism. Please tell me off if I'm wrong :-) --Bonadea (talk) 08:52, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Only reverts of simple vandalism (i.e. content addition that anybody visiting the page for the first time would immediately be able to recognize as vandalism) are exempt from 3RR. However, WP:UCS applies too here (-: Stifle (talk) 08:57, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Image:Saulgriffith.png

The image of Saul griffith is one he posted of himself on his own website. Not sure if that makes it free content as a photo of him on Wikipedia. Miroj (talk) 11:34, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

While I'm happy to answer questions, it looks like your question could have been answered and resolved more quickly if you had used my message wizard. It's linked as "Talk" after my name and at the top of my talk page. Why not try it next time?

It does not. There would need to be an explicit release of copyright. Stifle (talk) 11:43, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Bayview (Need for Speed)

Since the article on Bayview was deleted, is there anyway to recover the content that was on the page and incorporate it into the Need for Speed: Underground 2 page? Please let me know. Thanks! Brandon (talk) 12:45, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

I'll restore it and redirect it to that article; you can then merge any content that is verifiable and worth including. Stifle (talk) 13:11, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for List of traps in the Saw film series

An editor has asked for a deletion review of List of traps in the Saw film series. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. CyberGhostface (talk) 16:18, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of & File:The Escape Engine-live at cmj-photo.jpg

I was hoping for some clarity on the deletion of the two above photos. My understanding according to what the text below says was that these photos were acceptable since the band is no longer together.

Pictures of people still alive, groups still active, and buildings still standing; provided that taking a new free picture as a replacement (which is almost always considered possible) would serve the same encyclopedic purpose as the non-free image. This includes non-free promotional images.

However, for some retired or disbanded groups, or retired individuals whose notability rests in large part on their earlier visual appearance, a new picture may not serve the same purpose as an image taken during their career, in which case the use would be acceptable.

If not, can you please advise me where these photos should be uploaded to and what would be the appropriate justification? Thank you in advance. --NJ hardcore kid (talk) 18:07, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

The images lacked any non-free use rationales. What non-free use rationale would you give that addresses all the points in WP:NFCC? See also WP:NFURG. Stifle (talk) 18:55, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Ping

I've sent you a email in the hope of avoiding difficulties. DGG (talk) 19:59, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Replied to the email. Stifle (talk) 20:05, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Pages you have yet to delete

You closed the following articles deletion nomination as delete. However, you have not yet deleted these pages:

• Putty Patrol
• Z-Putty Patrollers

It is best that when you close a deletion discussion as delete, you delete the articles part of the debate as soon as possible. It has been four days since you closed the debate, and the articles have yet to be deleted. That's almost how many days it normally takes for a deletion debate to even be closed. —Mythdon (talk • contribs) 20:02, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

While I'm happy to answer questions, it looks like your question could have been answered and resolved more quickly if you had used my message wizard. It's linked as "Talk" after my name and at the top of my talk page. Why not try it next time?

You can tag pages like this as {{db-afd|name of deletion discussion}}. Stifle (talk) 20:03, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: Image permission problem with Image:Palin nowhere.jpg

Hi, Thank you for your comment, I didn't creat this image, I uploaded it as a respond to a request by Homunq at Graphic Lab for image improvment. I was also concern about the Copyright of this image but I am not very familiar with Licensing of images and I didn't know what should I do. You may already know that there are two other images like this one and both are nominated for deletion.(Image:Nowhere 99901 (Crop2).jpg and Image:Palin Nowhere 99901.jpg), I believe the original uploader of these images is Duuude007; If there is anything that i can do please let me know. Regards   ■ MMXX^talk  20:06, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Don't do this again

Next time I post on any of your talk pages, do not duplicate the discussion and put it on my talk page as you did here. That is purely redundant. —Mythdon (talk • contribs) 20:10, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

This and your previous message were not very civil. Please consider being more civil. At the top of my page it says that I'll copy my reply to your talk page unless you ask not to; you didn't ask not to and your talk page doesn't say not to. If you don't want messages duplicated on your talk page, please put a message to that effect up there. Stifle (talk) 20:12, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm always amused when editors try to give orders to admins. :) Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 20:13, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Image permission problem with Image:Palin nowhere.jpg

You posted on my talkpage

Image Copyright problem

Thanks for uploading Image:Palin nowhere.jpg, which you've sourced to http://www.andrewhalcro.com/the_bridge_to_somewhere. I noticed that that while you provided a valid copyright licensing tag, there is no proof that the creator of the image (or other media file) agreed to license it under the given license.

If you created this media entirely yourself but have previously published it elsewhere (especially online), please either

• make a note permitting reuse under the GFDL or another acceptable free license (see this list) at the site of the original publication; or
• Send an email from an address associated with the original publication to permissions-en@wikimedia.org, stating your ownership of the material and your intention to publish it under a free license. You can find a sample permission letter here.

If you did not create it entirely yourself, please ask the person who created the image to take one of the two steps listed above, or if the owner of the image has already given their permission to you via email, please forward that email to permissions-en@wikimedia.org.

If you believe the media meets the criteria at Wikipedia:Non-free content, use a tag such as {{non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair use, and add a rationale justifying the image's use on the article or articles where it is included. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have provided evidence that their copyright owners have agreed to license their works under the tags you supplied, too. You can find a list of files you have uploaded by following this link. Images lacking evidence of permission may be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Stifle (talk) 11:42, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

--however, I didn't upload this image. (I would go ahead and modify your message and give a notice on your behalf to the user who did upload the image, however there are several sizes of this images that were uploaded and I don't know who should be notified.)  $\sim$ Justmeherenow (  ) 20:58, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

I was notifying everyone who worked on it in the hope that someone would be able to verify the permission. Stifle (talk) 08:10, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Official picture of Samir Geagea

I wish to challenge your deletion of an image.

• The image's title is Image:Samir_Geagea_official_picture.jpg.
• I understand that the image was deleted because it was listed on Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images and no reason was advanced within 14 days of that listing for keeping the image.
• However, I feel this image can be used on Wikipedia.
  • This image can be used under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0.
  • The following is the rationale for including the image: The administrators at lebanese-forces.com did send an email to permissions-en[AT]wikimedia.org confirming the license of the picture.
• I did not provide this reason during the 14-day period while the image was listed on Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images because I did not receive any notification about this picture on my talk page. Also, I thought that the problem was solved as I checked the image's page several times with no sign of problems.

Please consider restoring this image. Fadib83 (talk) 22:28, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your message.

Can you please confirm the OTRS ticket number in question? This would have been received as a reply to the email with permission. Stifle (talk) 08:12, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Winnie the Pooh (song)

Don't know if it would have made a difference in your closing decision but I just noticed this, a delete argument removed without comment. The editor who made it was eventually blocked for vandalism but this didn't look like vandalism. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 12:47, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

I think I'll leave it alone — it was only a WP:PERNOM anyway. Thanks for dropping me a line. Stifle (talk) 13:01, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Too bad it's closed. I would have voted for deletion simply on the grounds that there's not enough information to warrant a spinoff article. I wouldn't consider the song iconic the way other songs are (whose articles also lack lyrics or have only a couple of token lines), as it's only sung by Winnie the Pooh in his own cartoons. Contrast that with a song like "Over the Rainbow", with a life much larger than its appearance in Wizard of Oz. That being said, there are many, many articles about songs that are just as spare and of as questionable notability as this one is. So I suspect that the rules on notability of songs are not being defined or enforced uniformly. (That could be an understatement). Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 13:07, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Feel free to relist it, you WP:TPS. Stifle (talk) 13:31, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I look nothing like Snidely Whiplash. >:) I'm not a very good stalker, since it requires too much work. Sometimes I forget to un-watch a user page, and then they might fall victim. >:) I won't relist the Winnie the Pooh thing as I don't feel that strongly about it to want to force the issue. I'm more of an inclusionist, but I concede that there are plenty of silly articles here. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 13:53, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

FWAK

Do you really think that a term used only on Usenet is really notable? I really doubt that Usenet is a reliable source. How does it being on Usenet make it more notable than a term that began on someone's web forum? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 13:27, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

I have a soft spot for Usenet. It balances my general deletionist tendencies. Stifle (talk) 13:31, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Erika Pace

An user created the Erika Pace article which is not redirected to protected Nik Pace article. Which means the article hasn't meet the notability requirements. Can you please delete it? Thanks.

This article is created per old Nik Pace article which it was a deletion discussion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.212.121.121 (talk) 15:19, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your message. In future, please sign your messages by typing ~~~~ at the end.

Done. In future, please tag pages like this as {{db-g4|link to the discussion}}. Stifle (talk) 15:32, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry!

Although creating a website here on wikipedia was a friends idea, I am still the one to blame. I should have stood up and said NO, I WILL NOT CREATE A WEBSITE FOR YOU ON WIKIPEDIA. I am very sorry for my actions there and would HATE to be blocked. I love wikipedia so much. If I were blocked, I would... well let's not go there. Once again I am sorry and I will never do anything related to that again. Thank you for reading this, even hough I sound like a 10 year old begging for candy or something. entertainU (talk) 00:18, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

There's no problem at all, you aren't going to be blocked and thank you for dropping by. I hope you will still continue to contribute to the encyclopedia. Stifle (talk) 08:06, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Asking for a page to be reinstated.

I wish to challenge the deletion of a page that you deleted.

• The page title is Silas Ciarán.
• I have read the reason for deleting the page and I feel it was incorrect because namely, while the subject of whom I was writing is not a hugely notable success, he has much of the aforementioned in the underground scene of a couple of different countries, his works are extremely extensive, and though he has only just begun to release them, the orders are still pouring in. He is about to embark on a two month tour, runs a media label, and is going to build a community for artists, musicians, authors, et cetera. It would really help him and his associates if there were more information available. I read the information posted on my talk page, and all of the related articles, but I do not believe that it is fair that his article was deleted, as there have been much less detailed articles on much less important figures which have stayed open, and which still are. If the criteria for this article applies fairly, then another five thousand articles should be gone. I spent around four hours typing up the article and another two editing everything to fit into Wikipedia, as well. It was very difficult.
• The following sources back up my claim:

Those these may not be perfect sources, you can see that there is much information available of the artist. He is not unknown.

• 1. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Bicycle+Sighs&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=

That is his most known project.

• 1. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Silas+Ciaran&btnG=Search

He will be very well known in the short future, I assure you. This article could help that. Please consider restoring this article.

Aliceinblunderland (talk) 03:39, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

I have read the sources you suggested and I will not be undeleting this article. The links which the Google searches throw up are mostly to myspace, last.fm, and Wikipedia mirrors, none of which are reliable sources. Have a look at WP:NMG for details of what might make a musical artist notable — in general, Wikipedia only holds articles for musicians who have had multiple album releases on major record labels, have had a charted hit, or have been the subject of multiple non-trivial articles in major publications.

To address your other points, if you feel that other non-notable bands or artists have Wikipedia articles, please tag them with {{db-music}} (if the article makes no assertion of notability), or use proposed deletion or articles for deletion. If you wish to have the content of the article you wrote for use on some other website, then I can email it to you (in which case make sure you have a valid email address set and confirmed in Special:Preferences. Stifle (talk) 08:13, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Two Working Men

Hi! I wanted to thank you once again for the translation of the Doireann article...it was a great help to me! I have another favor to ask you. Alison helped me with some ideas and background with the article Two Working Men, and I'd like to nominate it for DYK this week. I was wondering if you would be interested in perhaps helping with beefing up the article a little more. :) Mike H. Fierce! 07:24, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm terrible at things like that. I don't think I'd be much or any help. Even though it's in Cork. Stifle (talk) 08:15, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Are you in Cork? If so, the picture we have...we got it from Flickr and it's free, but the quality is not that great. Have you considered "doing your part" by going over there and taking a better picture? :D Mike H. Fierce! 12:44, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm from Cork, but living in Dublin. I'll see if I can drop by next time I'm down. However, copyright could be an issue for it as the statue was only created in 1969. Stifle (talk) 12:52, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

It should be fine, his other statues have free versions on WP with no problems. Mike H. Fierce! 13:20, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for Rom baro

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Rom baro. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. P.S. your talk page wizard is condescending Shii (tock) 09:06, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

I've restored the page and relisted the AFD. It would have helped if you had specified that you had improved the page at the AFD. P.S. your message at the AFD was condescending. Stifle (talk) 09:11, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Us Against the World

Hi there Stifle. Recently Us Against the World (Christina Milian song) was deleted, and I was wondering if you could access its history for me. I have started a sandbox for the page here: User:Cornucopia/Us Against the World, and I was wondering if you could copy and paste the newest revision on my sandbox. Thanks a bunch, Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 10:37, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

I can't copy-paste it as I have to maintain the history for GFDL purposes. I have taken the liberty of moving User:Cornucopia/Us Against the World to User:Cornucopia/Sandbox2 and have userfied the article to User:Cornucopia/Us Against the World. I hope that's OK. Stifle (talk) 10:40, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey, thanks a bunch! I was expecting you to bite my head off; I guess I was surprised by your nice response. It's good to see several nice admins out there. :-) Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 10:57, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Extension of A7 to albums

There seems to be a pretty good consensus now that A7 should extend to albums, etc. Do you know what the next step is in officially making this a speedy criterion? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 14:01, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Someone boldly adds it to WP:CSD. I would suggest adding it as A9 rather than an extension of A7, personally. Stifle (talk) 14:02, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

So I can go ahead and add it, and then make the appropriate CSD template? Or should I wait a while until we've decided on a wording? I think your wording works quite well. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 14:04, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

I'll continue this over at WT:CSD. Stifle (talk) 14:14, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

RfC/U

There is currently an open Request for Comment on User Conduct here, regarding G2bambino. As someone with past interactions with him, you are invited to comment. — [ roux ] [x] 15:18, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Lock Haven Wiffleball

I wanted to know why exactly our page (Lock Haven Wiffleball, created 10/12) was deleted. While I understand there was some crude language and some fabrications, the league was real and the gist of the stories are true. The league was very competitive and taken seriously, but also was a lot of fun. All of us were friends and the exagerations and the over-dramatizing of the stories makes it interesting and fun for all of us to read and enjoy. If we tone down or eliminate the curse words we use, which isn't too many, can we still have our page displayed? As ridiculous as it sounds, the team names, players, the stories (for the most part), are all accurate, and it really was an intramural league sponsored by the college. I understand to continue to have the page displayed, we need to edit some material. Is it possible for you to let me know what needs to be editing and corrected so we can continue the page to be displayed? Thanks a lot.

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PHBower (talk • contribs) 15:22, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia has articles on notable events, people, and topics. You should write about your university's minor baseball league on your own website. See WP:NOT. Stifle (talk) 15:44, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Updated the Hasan di Tiro case at 3RR

Hello Stifle. Since there were additional reverts by IPs after your close of this AN3 case, I took the liberty of putting on three days of protection. Let me know if it would be better to ask you first when these things arise. EdJohnston (talk) 16:58, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

No problem at all, we have enough to be doing without leaving extra messages and waiting for replies. Stifle (talk) 18:29, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Logos on ANAPROF pages

Hello, I recently received a note from you that using the teams logos in the competition articles is a violation of WP:NFCC#3a and WP:NFCC#8. I just want you to elaborate a bit more before eliminating these logos. All these logo have the rationale to be in all of these competitions articles because I provided them with this rationale. Furthermore, since the rationale has been provided they can be used for "unlimited distribution, modification and application by all users in all media." I believe that some of those policies (especially 8) is subject to subjectivity, since you may not find it significant, I may find it significant. I believe these logo in the competition page help provide visual aid for the reader, the ability to associate logo with a particular team and also the evolution of the team's crest along the competitions (which Ive been working for the past few weeks). i just want a more elaborate decision because I've been working in these articles or almost two years and I've been told I can use these logos in them as long as they have the right rationale.--Burilu (talk) 19:16, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

For non-free images to be used on Wikipedia, they must satisfy all ten of the non-free content criteria. Having a rationale is just part of one of them. The problem is with the following:

1. Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose..."Could the subject be adequately conveyed by text without using the non-free content at all?" If the answer... is yes, the non-free content probably does not meet this criterion."

3a. Multiple items of non-free content are not used if one item can convey equivalent significant information.

8. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding.

Using the logos on all those pages doesn't seem to comply with any of those three requirements. The logos are used for decoration — the teams are identified by their name, in text. Too many are being used. And omitting the images would not make any difference to readers' understanding of the article. Do you see where I'm coming from? Stifle (talk) 19:21, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

The Quarrymen and The Dissenters

The Dissenters has been redirected to The Quarrymen, but the information has been lost. User Nyttend said: “If merged, add a hatnote to Quarrymen about dissenters.” This was not done.--andreasegde (talk) 19:33, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure exactly what you want changed on the article, but if you explain I will do my best to fix it. Alternatively, be bold and add it yourself :) Stifle (talk) 19:36, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

I am doing it right now. Pity it wasn't done before.--andreasegde (talk) 19:40, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

CFB notability standards

Y'know something, I'm beginning to change my mind on nailing down their notability criteria; reiterating the same damn debate every time McDonald launches another master's thesis is getting exhausting. I'm giving serious thought to opening this up in their own backyard and seeing just how many people actually do agree with McDonald. Whatcha think?  RGTraynor  20:21, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

I've no objections, although I'd rather do it at a neutral ground like Wikipedia talk:Notability rather than in the CFB project. Stifle (talk) 20:24, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

My thought on doing it at CFB is (1) that McDonald relies heavily on "Our Wikiproject, filled with experts, says this" ... based on the four editors that commented, none with unqualified support, in the talk page there, and this either strips away his cover or (in all fairness) affirms it; and (2) Wikipedia talk:Notability has proven resistant as hell to any change. It warrants some thought.  RGTraynor  20:38, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, go for it if you think it'll work. Stifle (talk) 20:42, 16 October 2008 (UTC)