User talk:SvarturVölva
SvarturVölva, you are invited to the Teahouse![edit]
|
Hi SvarturVölva! Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia. We hope to see you there!
Delivered by HostBot on behalf of the Teahouse hosts 16:05, 3 September 2019 (UTC) |
Vǫlva[edit]
I actually agree with you that the article should have remained at Völva, its original title. But you are breaking links and otherwise causing damage at its present location, Seeress (Germanic). It will take me a while to find where we have articles located such as Þorbjörg Lítilvölva (there isn't a redirect from the lowercase "l" used in the article. And you're needlessly making enemies here, especially by throwing curses at one of our most active editors in the area of heathenry/Norse lore. So please stand down while I make some fixes at the main article, and I suggest you post to Talk:Seeress (Germanic) regarding the article title—whether it should be moved back to Völva or whether there should be separate articles—rather than continuing to make disputed changes before someone reports you for vandalism. Note in particular: articles on Wikipedia must be based on reliable sources (cited for anything that might be disputed or that the reader might want to read more about), and therefore cannot be written from a position of belief or as a practical magical guide. Yngvadottir (talk) 16:28, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
- Actually my page works I am breaking links on Seeress (Germanic) because Bloodofox removed Völva yet again so I don't care about the integrity of that page. If he leaves Völva alone I will leave Seeress (Germanic) alone. He drew first blood, not me. It's about mutual respect and he chose not to show me any when I showed him respect to begin with, I explained my reasoning and it was sound. I just want him to mess off and let me update it as the information comes in from my community to allow me to do so while citing appropriate sources. I need it up in the meantime because of all the lost Völva out there that need it for validation, that this practice exists, that it is shamanic, that shaman is an appropriate umbrella term to use, because it is. If it is not there there are risks of suicide. This is about safety. If a Völva is alone and doesn't know what she is, she may kill herself. It is very freaking common and I am just trying to save my people. I told him I needed time to get updated information and get sources but he still removed the page claiming that Völva is a synonym for seeress and therefore is unnecessary but he fails to acknowledged what synonym means. What is worse is this is a guy who doesn't practice, this is a guy who knows nothing about this practice other than what he reads. He doesn't know Völva and his ancestors probably aren't Völva but Bloodofox is an aggressor and he is trying to appropriate my religion. He took over his father's company, that is the type of person he is. He will sell out his own family.(I had the wrong details, pagan telephone game and misunderstood, not his family but same piece of shit character all the same, he is known to abuse his power) I will not give up on this, I will go to the ends of the earth. This is life or death for people who belong to my community. Sweeping my religion under the rid and then claiming the rug is the religion is not going to be allowed in this day and age by modern Völva.
synonym noun
1A word or phrase that means exactly or nearly the same as another word or phrase in the same language, for example shut is a synonym of close. ‘‘the East’ was a synonym for the Soviet empire’ ‘‘shut’ is a synonym of ‘close’’
1.1A person or thing so closely associated with a particular quality or idea that the mention of their name calls it to mind. ‘the Victorian age is a synonym for sexual puritanism’
Of particular importance here is "A person or thing so closely associated with a particular quality or idea that the mention of their name calls it to mind." This is why Seeress is a synonym for Völva, they are connected very closely. All Völva are Seeress but not all Seeress are Völva. Not even all Germanic Seeress are Völva.
SvarturVölva (talk) 17:04, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
- I've started the talk page section about having two separate articles, and "pinged" you there. Since you talk about Bloodofox above, I've just "pinged" them so they see this. I've read your response above carefully, but two important points must be made:
- Wikipedia editors are anonymous, unless they themselves choose to reveal their identity or information about themselves. So you don't know who I am, or who Bloodofox is, including ancestry and religion. Don't assume; honor others' privacy and assume they just want the best for the encyclopedia. This is a shared space with mutual respect and a shared purpose.
- Because of that purpose, we don't write articles from any one position of belief. There are modern völur, but the page cannot be written only for them; and some of them may interpret the role in ways different from you. We prefer academic sources whenever possible, because we are writing a general encyclopedia. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:12, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
I guess books used at the university of Oslo for their Icelandic folklore program isn't good enough for you guys. Oh and I did post in talk but was just disregarded. Why would I bother anymore when it's clear that some anonymous ass hole whos been on Wikipedia longer than I have will always win. I even removed the section he flagged copy write infringement on. I tried to be respectful and I was met with the utmost disrespect, I only give what I get and even if you avoid using curse words and personal attacks you can still attack someone. Bloodofox is threatening the integrity of an entire practice, not just the new practitioners, I mean I am learning from an undead hereditary line in Norway but I guess the truth, clearly doesn't matter here. If Bloodofox is such a trusted contributor here then I would extremely weary of any sources he uses. They're going to all lean in one direction. He crossed me today and it took me 20 minutes to find out his identity and the gossip in the community about him. I don't care if you or anyone else respects them, I do not and I have zero issue with my death curse remaining.
If you are not his alt accounts that have been taking action against me then understand you are protecting an abuser and I have done a working that will kill him and harm anyone who supports him if he continues his appropriation and oppression of Völva. It's not rocket science, you crossed me, I give no quarter and have no qualms.
I broke some of his links and it took him 2 seconds to fix it. I worked hours on what I put on Völva and he deleted it without cause. I don't care if you believe it's not prejudicial, the fact is if I wasn't new to Wikipedia and I wasn't different I never would have been targeted. Look at how many people he got involved, this is targeted harassment and mob mentality at this point.
September 2019[edit]
{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. Bishonen | talk 16:46, 3 September 2019 (UTC)- Death curses and insults are not allowed here.
Your addition of material to Völva is an egregious copyright violation, which is not allowed either. And you have now reverted my removal even though I clearly stated "copyright violation" in my edit summary.Bishonen | talk 16:46, 3 September 2019 (UTC).
DEATH CURSES AND INSULTS ARE PART OF MY RELIGION, THEY ARE PART OF BEING VÖLVA. WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT YOU DO NOT ALLOW PEOPLE OF MY KIND HERE. MEANWHILE PEOPLE WHO DO NOT EVEN KNOW MY PRACTICE ARE SPEAKING ABOUT IT WITH AUTHORITY. SHAME ON YOU FOR SUPPORTING CULTURAL APPROPRIATION AND OPPRESSION.
If I had a copy write violation then so did the previous contributors because all I did was clean up what was there previously. If there was another way I needed to go about recovering the content such as an undo, I was not aware of it or any copyrightable material in the article. Everything I put up there, was up there last month, minus some very small grammatical and spelling changes. If you want me to rewrite the whole thing in my own words I will but I felt the information there previously, which was completely acceptable for a long time, could remain there until I was able to update the information in the future. This was a placeholder until I could rewrite the entire thing. A placeholder because removal invalidates an entire vulnerable population and puts the lives of Völva's around the world at very real risk.
I am curt and to the point. Bloodofox has zero interest in sharing the spotlight with anyone else when it comes to Völva and Seeress (Germanic). He is just here for his ego. He views himself as the authority here and he doesn't even know what he is talking about. He may know how to use Wikipedia better than me and have friends in high places but I know what it means to be Völva and he chose to disregard me. I can and will death curse whoever I want and when someone is putting my life at risk I have no issue doing so. Bloodofox is harming Völva and putting our lives at risk, he could kill someone with his words, all I want is the ability to give an alternative narrative, one that is less prejudicial and more accurate. One that actually reflects what it is to be Völva.
Bishonen, I honestly thought you were him given how he was harassing me with removals of content for no valid reasons within 30 minutes of you interfering. I was pretty sure Bloodofox was just using a different account and lied about a copy write violation. If there really was one and you had specified what, I would have gladly fixed it but you blocked my ass before I even saw your post on here. I am 99% sure this is a personal vendetta and you are just Bloodofox if I am being completely honest. Either way you are energetically an extension of him to the point your energies are so similar I attribute you to the same source. This means you are not an outsider, you know him, are related to him or are allied with him. Either way, I will include you in the death curse because you are supporting an abuser and oppressor. I will include anyone who supports his energetic signature. I don't mind witch wars, that's where I thrive.
If my request to unblock isn't granted I will just get the community involved. There is enough of us around the world to survive IP bans and still get the content added. As of right now I am waiting to go through the official channels but know this, if I involve the community they will not look lightly upon the disrespect I have been shown. They will have no issues supporting my workings to bring down abusers and oppressors, even if that means they die. I do not mention death curses lightly, I mention them because this is a life and death issue for me and many others. One I am willing to die for, are you? SvarturVölva (talk) 18:56, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
SvarturVölva (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
I was blocked due to personal vendetta, theological disagreement and prejudice. Was never told what material was copy written, was never given a chance to fix it, was silenced because I am a new Wikipedia user and one with much more experience decided to wield his power to undermine me personally. Bishonen is either Bloodofox's alt account or a friend of Bloodofox, abuse of power has occurred here. SvarturVölva (talk) 18:56, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Procedural decline only. Please try again without the personal attacks. Note that copyright violations places the entire Wikipedia project in jeopardy; there is no requirement that you be warned. Administrators are required to act immediately to protect Wikipedia, in such cases. Yamla (talk) 19:01, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
Everything I stated was factual. I will not change it. Bloodofox and his supporters in the community actioned against me without due cause. I stand behind that. It was a personal attack and none of what I said was a personal attack in my reason for being unblocked. The fact you take it that way further proves your inability to be partisan with this issue. If it is not allowed to point the finger at an abuser that means you're enabling abusers. Period.
- Just for information, it's "copyrighted" not "copy written" - it's a common error, but it's about the rights to the material, not the writing of the material. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:14, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
- SvarturVölva, you appear to have threatened my life. I politely state that I have no alternate accounts on Wikipedia and am not working on collaboration with any other account. I have never edited any article which you have edited. I am acting as a disinterested reviewer of your unblock request. I politely demand you unconditionally withdraw your personal attacks and death threats against me. And against all other accounts. --Yamla (talk) 20:20, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
Reboot[edit]
There's a pretty decent chance that the copyright concern is incorrect; the wikia page being claimed as the source is likely a copy of an old version of a wikipedia page. If so, this wouldn't require revdel or blocking, just attribution. I see it's already been revdel'd, and it's too much effort to fight that, but that would not hold up an unblock if that was the only issue.
However, there remains the problem of the way you're interacting with others here, SvarturVölva. If you're going to continue with this approach, you'll likely have talk page access removed, and the edits of anyone you recruit to take up the cause will likely be reverted too. Are you more interested in trying to affect change, or in feeling righteously indignant? We have methods of trying to resolve disputes, but ultimately this is a collaborative effort, and death curses and personal attacks and veiled threats about finding out who someone is in real life are not a part of that. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:07, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
- @Floquenbeam: (Not sure where you see any veiled threats.) It's not a big deal, but Wikia claims the copyright, if you scroll to the bottom of the page at [1]. Are you saying they lie? Bishonen | talk 20:19, 3 September 2019 (UTC).
All right, I withdraw the charge of copyright violation, SvarturVölva, and I have struck out that part of my block rationale above. You are now blocked for extreme hostility with insults and threats towards another editor (Bloodofox, obviously). Please direct any further unblock requests to that problem. As I have already told you, you should read the guide to appealing blocks to make sure your request helps your case. Your previous unblock requests are frankly terrible. As for your shouted accusation in ALL CAPS, no, I'm not saying I don't allow people of your kind here, I'm saying death threats are not allowed here. If they're part of your religion, that's just too bad, they're still not allowed. I see there's another one on this page ("I have done a working that will kill him and harm anyone who supports him"). Altogether, nothing you write here on this page gives me the impression that you're prepared to stop threatening and abusing both individuals and Wikipedia. On the contrary, you threaten to bring an army of meatpuppets here to help you disrupt and edit war. But if you are prepared to edit collaboratively and to treat others properly, please put it into an unblock request. A reasonable one. Bishonen | talk 20:19, 3 September 2019 (UTC).
(edit conflict) SvarturVölva, please consider carefully, and recall what I wrote above. You don't know who Bloodofox is, and you are making assumptions about their intent that are unwarranted. Your assumption that Bishonen is a friend or alt of Bloodofox is also a violation of our code of conduct here. Our joint purpose here is writing an encyclopedia. So that all sorts of people may participate, we allow people to be anonymous. That protects us all, you as well as them. You might want to note the reason Bloodofox gives on their user page for their user name. And my user name. But you must stop assuming bad faith. I agree with Floquenbeam about the copyvio; I think you didn't realize you needed to make very clear that you were reverting to an earlier version of the page, or "copying within Wikipedia" (since it had been moved). I paused to save this and saw I had edit conflicted with others, including Bishonen, to whom thanks for listening to me about the copyvio issue. I'm going ahead and posting it and will add more. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:25, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
OK, let me try one more time, SvarturVölva. There are probably more völur around than you think, not all connected with the praxis you belong to. And more people editing Wikipedia whose code is not non-violent than you think. Your zeal does you credit, but is it really a matter of life and death for an uninformed völva—or someone who is called to any non-Judeo-Xian religion and seeks information—if Wikipedia has a separate article on every varying approach, subset, and role, or merely an article subsection? If you believe in this instance that Wikipedia having a separate article on vǫlur is vitally important to seekers, then you have to educate yourself on the rules of behavior here, get unblocked, and contribute to getting that separate article. Curses won't help and neither will calling in meatpuppets, and both are likely to rebound against what you want. If what you really want is an article or section more in line with your particular approach to being a vǫlva, you have a harder task because orally transmitted traditions and treating folklore as dispassionate fact are both at odds with our encyclopedic mission. The most you could seek would be an external link to your group's website, and the best chance of getting that would be if some academic has written about it. Many heathen/pagan groups have had problems passing this hurdle. But I am not persuaded that Wikipedia covering that approach to being a vǫlva is a matter of life and death. Are you sure the heat of the moment is not making you exaggerate?
I've advocated a little bit for you (even though Bloodofox is a kind of friend of mine). I take your posts seriously as coming from convictions and bravery. But Wikipedia is a special kind of project, where users of very different backgrounds come together in a common purpose that benefits all sorts of readers. I will not be a friend to an enemy. I think you can contribute here and help us a lot. There are few of us working in the fields of Germanic antiquity and heathenry. So I'm going to put below a big fat template with links to our guidelines and ways, including how to ask for help, in hopes you will decide to try again, commit not to curse allies or disputants here, and get yourself unblocked. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:48, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
|
Let me put it this way. Bloodofox has done this before. Wikipedia is run by people who have simply been there the longest. This is an echochamber with a very specific political agenda in community within Wikipedia. You guys got in here early and now run the show. I get it so I will let my death curse do the work. I came here for what I thought was to simply put up something that was taken down and improve on it, turns out there was a less mundane reason for me to be here. You crossed me. That is just how it is. You are the ones who edit the damn rules up in here. You guys are supposed to self police, that means the popular opinion wins and mob mentality rules. Period. Don't think you or Bloodofox are impartial. You are not. It is impossible to be that is why multiple contributions are so important, too bad that is not actually allowed or encouraged. It is very clear to me here that second sources or not, do not really matter, you'll use any excuse to remove something you do not agree with. You do not care about truth, you do not care about honesty or honor. You are a dishonorable group and I want nothing to do with you. If it costs me my life, I will continue the death curse because it is not only necessary but warranted. This is about the person who you are protecting. Probably you're all Bloodofox anyways so whatever....... [redacted link]
- I've seen that, and it's a laughably inaccurate guess. Please don't aim your curse at the person identified there. Why would you assume we're all Bloodofox? I'm sorry you appear to have decided to stay blocked, but all our edits are available for scrutiny (article and talk page history pages, contribution pages for each editor and IP); go ahead and look. Wow, if I'm Bloodofox, that's a suprise to me and they've argued with themself an awful lot :-) And I don't run Wikipedia; if I did, we would have forked years ago and told the WMF to pound sand. Ping me if you need me, like this: {{U|Yngvadottir}}. Yngvadottir (talk) 22:33, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
SvarturVölva (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
prejudicial application of block to begin withSvarturVölva (talk) 19:55, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
Decline reason:
This does not address the reason for the block, and your continued attacks cause me to not consider this request. Any further attacks and you will lose access to this page too. 331dot (talk) 23:35, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
Without meaning to contradict 331dot above, I have revoked your talk page access. You have continued making death threats such as here. That behaviour is antithetical to productive contributions here, and you received warning after warning after warning about this. With talk page access revoked, your only remaining option is WP:UTRS. You will need to address your abhorrent behaviour there, including but not limited to your multiple death threats. --Yamla (talk) 00:16, 4 September 2019 (UTC)