User talk:Swisstestpilot
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April 2010[edit]
Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute to the encyclopedia, but when you add or change content, as you did to the article Swiss Air Force, please cite a reliable source for the content of your edit. This is particularly important when adding or changing any facts or figures and helps maintain our policy of verifiability. Take a look at Wikipedia:Citing sources for information about how to cite sources and the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. -MBK004 03:59, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
The current artikel is tottal incompliet Air Bases and Aircraft are missing , there are also much wrong informations (for exampel Berne is a civil Airport, the F-5E are still every weekday in use as fighteraircrafts). Sorry but the newspaper FACTS as reliable sources is just a bad jocke. Have Look at the German and the Italian version, Thes Versions have the full qualety for wikipedia. I knew my engilsh is not well, but with this wrong informations in the Articel i cant say nothing.
My Informations are the Truht because i work sinc 1996 for the Swiss Air Force.
Well i knew my english is not very well but (how well is your German or Swiss German?), may someone can help to but out my errors. What sohuld this We are striving for verifiability, not truth , So you support that there are wrong informations, only because some lazy Facts reporter once wrot something .. The articels in german are allready aprovet. I see not why in the English version should stay wrong informations (like the Number of F-5 or Alouette III, Berne is a Civil aiport) . Or all that missing informations about Buochs AFB Lodrino AFB , Mission Controll at Dübendorf AFB, the PC-12 of Armasuisse. Whats all about the outpast Aircrafts and Airbases this is also part of the history of the swiss air force. I am realy into it because like i sayt i work for the swiss air Force so i knew realy thes topic.
Look, the way you keep insisting on getting your version of the article posted is quickly becoming disruptive. This is especially evident because it has massive grammatical errors and is unreferenced. Just because you got the text from another language version of wikipedia does not mean it is allowed to be copied and pasted. The information must all be properly referenced according to our local policies and not breach our manual of style, which your version does on a large scale. -MBK004 04:29, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
In the Articel about the MirageIII in Swiss Air Force Service is again some wrong Informations, Switzerland dident build Mirage IIIC. Also a lot of Informations are missing, like the Liquid Rocketmotorjet and so on, Again these things are Provet you can see the Rocketmotor in the Museeum at Dübendorf (just on the oposit oof the air Base of my workingplace. Again this informations are also on the deutsch version of Wikipedia and are proovet and i was also in service 1999 when the MirageIIIS past out and in 2003 i was on Buochs AFB Togheter wit the MirageIIIRS &DS who had there theyer last duty (By the way Buochs AFB is missing in the Swiss air Force articel).
- Your English is atrocious, and any attempts you are making are being reverted for that reason alone, not to mention that you are not providing any sources which qualify against our policies of original research and verifiability. We are striving for verifiability, not truth. I will leave you one last warning, if you continue, you will be blocked. -MBK004 09:38, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
Well i knew my english is not very well but (how well is your German or Swiss German?), may someone can help to but out my errors. What sohuld this We are striving for verifiability, not truth , So you support that there are wrong informations, only because some lazy Facts reporter once wrot something .. The articels in german are allready aprovet. I see not why in the English version should stay wrong informations (like the Number of F-5 or Alouette III, Berne is a Civil aiport) . Or all that missing informations about Buochs AFB Lodrino AFB , Mission Controll at Dübendorf AFB, the PC-12 of Armasuisse. Whats all about the outpast Aircrafts and Airbases this is also part of the history of the swiss air force. I am realy into it because like i sayt i work for the swiss air Force so i knew realy thes topic.
Your recent edits[edit]
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{{unblock|Your reason here}} below, but you should read our guide to appealing blocks first. Sandstein 10:54, 9 April 2010 (UTC)Please listen again what others are saying to you here. I happen to be a commissioned officer in the Swiss Army, am a native Swiss German speaker, and have every interest in helping you to make our articles better. However, the only way you will be able to do this is by following our rules, that is: (a) using correct English in articles, (b) using reliable published sources and not your own experience, (c) not edit-warring, (d) using only your user account and not also anonymous IP addresses. If you cannot or will not comply with these rules, you will not be able to contribute.
Und nun dasselbe auf Deutsch: Wenn Sie zur Verbesserung von Wikipedia beitragen wollen, müssen Sie sich an unsere Regeln halten; dazu gehören die Verwendung von korrektem Englisch in Artikeln, das Anführen publizierter Quellen (und nicht Ihrer eigener Erfahrung) als Grundlage Ihrer Änderungen, der Verzicht auf Bearbeitungskriege und der Verzicht auf das Vornehmen von Änderungen, während Sie nicht in Ihr Benutzerkonto eingeloggt sind. Danke! Sandstein 11:03, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
Ich hab versucht so gut auf englisch zu schreiben wie ich kann, es ist mirr bewust das es dort fehler hat aber in anbetracht das die Englische Version über die Schweizer Luftwaffe so mangelhaft und zum Teil fallsche infos hat erachte ich das als kleineres Übel.
Hier die offizielle Homepage der Luftwaffe auf englisch. http://www.lw.admin.ch/internet/luftwaffe/en/home/dokumentation/assets/aircraft.html
http://www.lw.admin.ch/internet/luftwaffe/en/home/verbaende/einsatz_lw.html
Wenn Du ja seelbst in der Schweizer Armee als Offizier tätig warst (oder noch bisz) erstaunt es mich umsomehr das du meine Inhaltlich richtige version rückgängig machst und diese version mit ihren fallschausagen stehen läst, ich hab jetzt ja die Quellenangabe hier und da du ja auch aus der schweiz bist kannst du dort auch die seiten sehen die nicht in englisch bestehen. Was den aktuellen Stand der Luftwaffe betrifft kann ich das sehr gut beurteilen weil ich dort beruflich arbeite, und während dem WEF oder dem Frankopohnengipfel bin ich auch im Dienst dann im Rang eines Majors.
- Niemand hier hat etwas gegen die Verbesserung von Fehlern. Aber in der von Ihnen vorgeschlagenen Form sind Ihre Änderungen unbrauchbar, weil sie erstens nicht durch publizierte Quellen belegt sind (nach unseren Regeln ist persönliche Erfahrung keine genügende Quelle, diese Regel ist nicht verhandelbar) und zweitens derart fehlerhaft sind, dass der Text durch sie fast unlesbar wird. Bitte beschränken Sie sich in Zukunft darauf, Änderungen und Quellen auf der Diskussionsseite vorzuschlagen. Vielen Dank! Sandstein 14:44, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
Die offizielle Homepage der Luftwaffe die ich ja nun angegeben hab ist ja eine zuverlässige und gewichtige Quelle , Ich weiss das mein englisch nicht gut ist dennoch gleich als unbrauchbar kann man den Text deswegen nicht bezeichnen der inhalt ist dennoch nachvollziehbar.
- Sorry, aber wenn jemand anderes ungefähr gleich viel Zeit aufwenden muss, um Ihre Fehler zu korrigieren wie Sie, um den Text zu schreiben, ist Wikipedia damit nicht gedient. Zudem wirken offensichtliche Schreibfehler höchst unprofessionell. An Ihrer Stelle würde ich mich statt grosser Veränderungen auf punktuelle Verbesserungen konzentrieren, z.B. betreffend einzelne Zahlen oder Orte, und diese jeweils mit der Quellenangabe versehen. Eine Quellenangabe können Sie mit folgendem Code im Text anbringen:
- <ref name="SAF-Aircraft">{{cite web|url=http://www.lw.admin.ch/internet/luftwaffe/en/home/dokumentation/assets/aircraft.html|title=Aircraft|last=Swiss Air Force|accessdate=9 April 2010}}</ref>
- bzw.
- <ref name="SAF-ACC">{{cite web|url=http://www.lw.admin.ch/internet/luftwaffe/en/home/verbaende/einsatz_lw.html|title=The Swiss Air Force’s Air Component Command (ACC)|last=Swiss Air Force|accessdate=9 April 2010}}</ref>.
- Kameradschaftlicher Gruss, Sandstein 15:17, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
Your contributed article, Aircraft cavern[edit]
Hello, I notice that you recently created a new page, Aircraft cavern. First, thank you for your contribution; Wikipedia relies solely on the efforts of volunteers such as yourself. Unfortunately, the page you created covers a topic on which we already have a page - Swiss Air Force. Because of the duplication, your article has been tagged for speedy deletion. Please note that this is not a comment on you personally and we hope you will to continue helping improve Wikipedia. If the topic of the article you created is one that interests you, then perhaps you would like to help out at Swiss Air Force - you might like to discuss new information at the article's talk page.
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was thinking it is better to do a seperat articel of this topic and put it out of the swiss air force main page, because also yougoslavia had aircraftcaverns.
Copy paste move from Swiss Air Force[edit]
You appear to have copy pasted text from Swiss Air Force into Aircraft cavern. This is not permitted by the copyright license used on wikipedia. You must attribute text you copy like this to its author by referring to the page it came from. In addition, the page is a complete mess in a formatting and style context.
Please look at some of the helpful messages people left above on your page. You appear to have had some previous disputes on these articles too, so perhaps it would be better for you to review some of the formatting and style guidelines before adding pages like this. Thank you. Shadowjams (talk) 21:55, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
I was thinking that it is better do made a sperat Articel to this topic and add a Link on the swiss airforce page
- Probably a good idea, but your English is poor and I don't think you can do this properly on your own - you should look for help from a fluent English speaker before making such a major edit to an English wikipedia article. You should also discuss this matter on the article's talk page - it's a big change and should have consensus. andy (talk) 22:36, 25 April 2010 (UTC)