User talk:Tanja vos

Welcome![edit]

Hello, Tanja vos, and welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of the pages you created, such as TESTAR, may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines, and may not be retained.

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Speedy deletion nomination of TESTAR[edit]

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A tag has been placed on TESTAR, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.

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The issues with Testar[edit]

Hi,

I've noticed your struggles with TESTAR, and I'm afraid you've just run into Wikipedia's infamously steep learning curves. The article you've submitted had two major issues:

An automated checking tool found content that seemed to duplicate the research paper you (or your namesake) co-authored in 2014. The paper appears to be under copyright, and assuming you and your two co-authors are the sole owners of that, all three of you would have to release it under a license compatible with our copyright policies before including language from there. If this were an option, WP:DCM describes what is required.
The content appeared to be overly promotional, which eventually led to deletion.

In order to be covered in Wikipedia, either as a standalone article or as part of a list, any topic needs to be the subject of substantial coverage by several independent, reliable third party sources. A research paper that you would have co-authored doesn't pass the hurdle of independent coverage, and a single paper doesn't meet the "several" requirement of sourcing. To resolve this, regardless of whether this should be included in the list or as a standalone, TESTAR would first require such sources, which should then be used to write content in a neutral voice. I hope this helps. Best, MLauba ^(Talk) 17:57, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Issues with TESTAR[edit]

Hi MLauba! Thanks for the explanation! I was getting a bit frustrated not understanding what was wrong with my texts that kept on being deleted all the time! I understand what you are saying, I´ll try to write more neutral and encyclopedic ;-) The content was not really duplicated from one paper, this is just the way the tool works ;-) I suppose I have repeated this many times when explaining the tool, but at least I know understand that and try to chose the words differently.

Appeared overly promotional, I´ll take that as a compliment being an academic ;-) Just being enthusiastic about our open source prototype tool! Will tone that down.

Can you also explain why its entry is getting deleted repeatedly from the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_GUI_testing_tools table?

Going to try again! Wish me luck! Tanja

TESTAR[edit]

Unfortunately, neutrality and promotional language were not the only problems with the page you want to create. In order to be spared speedy deletion, the article needs to assert that the subject is notable. In order to be spared deletion by another process, the article needs to demonstrate that notability (as MLauba explained to you) with reliable sources that are independent of the subject (so the Testar website doesn't count). Right now, the article neither asserts nor demonstrates notability. In the current state, it may be speedily deleted again at any time.

In general, it's not a good idea to write encyclopedia articles about subjects you are personally closely involved with; you have a conflict of interest that compromises neutrality. If your subject is important enough to be in the encyclopedia, someone else will write about it. —swpb^T 19:13, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

OK fine, I give up[edit]

I do not understand why:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QF-Test https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranorex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selenium_(software) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggplant_Functional

Some of these are commercial tools! They can be there in a list of GUI testing tools and past all the wikipedia rules of non-promotion, neutrality, encyclopedia, notability, sources, etc etc etc etc etc etc. And the TESTAR tool cannot......

Also pages like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrique_Alba do seem even less neutrality, encyclopedic and notable.....

My standard answer to that is this page: The existence of similar content is not a valid argument for inclusion. There are five million articles on Wikipedia, and surely there are quite a few that don't belong here; there are just too many for us to stay on top of. That doesn't mean we abandon our standards. If you think another article doesn't live up to the criteria that have been presented to you, then by all means, nominate it for deletion yourself. That said, most of the pages you pointed out are thoroughly sourced. —swpb^T 19:43, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I know it is frustrating to have your page deleted, but, as the speedy deletion tag says, you may not remove the tag from a page you created. An administrator will review the page and determine if it should be deleted; your best chance of having it kept would be to find and add reliable sources that demonstrate notability. If you need more time to do that, I recommend you work on the page in the WP:DRAFT namespace or your userspace, instead of the public encyclopedia space. —swpb^T 19:50, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The reason why QF-Test, Ranorex, Selenium (software), and Eggplant Functional have articles is that they meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines for inclusion. Has TESTAR received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject? If so, you may create an article with the sources. If not, it is likely not sufficiently notable for a stand-alone article. To go around and nominate competitor's articles for deletion is not the solution. To nominate the list is just really a waste of time. 208.81.212.224 (talk) 20:10, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]