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Thank you for your recent application to use AutoWikiBrowser. I have approved your request and you should now be able to use the AWB application. Be sure to check every edit before you save it, and don't forget to check out the AWB Guide. You can get any help you need over on the AWB talk page. Feel free to contact me with any questions, Alphachimp 02:25, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Query

I noticed your documentation of milestone edits. Is there a tool you can use to identify such milestone edits?

I also notice that you have several notations of race and religion on your user page. May I ask if you have ever gone through an AfD or CfD on a topic related to race or religion on wikipedia?

I am an Afro-american and have noticed that often times administrative debates stall due to lack of support. What is the debate that you most wish you had gotten support for? TonyTheTiger 15:33, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

There are several edit counters available at Wikipedia:WikiProject edit counters#List of counters that would assist you in finding your total number of edits currently. Alternatively, you can just look under your contributions, set it to show 500 at a time, and begin at your earliest contribution to see your 500th, 1000th, 1500th, etc. edits. I'm sure I have been in a few AfD or CfD debates that involved race or religion, but none stand our and I can't really say there is one I most wish I had gotten support for. -- tariqabjotu 16:06, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Did you do something other than cut and paste for your response to appear on both of our talk pages? Also did you know that using 500 at a time causes count lags because it starts with 1-500 then goes to 500-999, then 999-1498? Do you have a preferred counter? At the top of my user page I use Kate's tool. However, this will not help me to go back and find my 1000th or 2000th edit. Do you have any specific suggestion for that purpose. TonyTheTiger 16:15, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I just cut and paste the response. About the contribution counter, I think you might have discovered a glitch (to some extent). If you begin at the oldest contribution, it will show edits 1-500, 501-1000, 1001-1500, etc., but it appears starting at the newest contributions, it shows the 500 oldest edits, then the 500 oldest edits beginning with the 500th oldest edit, then the 500 oldest edits beginning with the 999 oldest edit. I reported the possible bug. -- tariqabjotu 16:33, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Argo Tea

Sure, why not? Maybe next to the blurb about the room itself. I wish folks wouldn't be so eager to delete something they can't find a million hits for on Google (and I don't get why the same person keeps picking on this one article). Google isn't a good gauge of notability at all. I really wish I knew more about the place itself so I could improve the article. TheQuandry 21:42, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Promontory Point

What are they trying to argue? It's a pretty factually complete article, from my viewpoint. There are a few grammatical typos, but nothing major. I guess you could expand on the Save The Point community task force portion (I know a person or two involved with them), and maybe talk about the planned seawall reconstruction itself (which was actually started 5 years ago and is incomplete to this day due to the fight between local residents and the preservation society (who want the wall rebuilt with the existing limestone blocks) and the park district (who want to plow it over and use concrete) but from my one time read through it seems like a pretty decent article. Good pictures, too. TheQuandry 23:48, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I made some grammatical fixes, reworded a couple things, etc. If you disagree with something, just revert it or let me know and I'll fix it. TheQuandry 00:51, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Eh?

"Aborted"? You make it sound as though it's some complex process putting banners on two pages. The reason for merge is rather obvious, I should think, as one article is a direct and exclusive subset of the other, and neither has so great a volume of content as to warrant keeping them separate. Thanks for letting me know; I'll do it again when I get home this evening. JDoorjam Talk 00:16, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

RfA

Hi,

My comment wasn't intended to make light of the issue of race, only to suggest that an RfA is not the best place to raise that issue. RfA is concerned with the candidate's record as a contributor, and personal biographical or ideological details, when introduced, almost always result in a negative impression. Among other reasons, this arises because of WP:POINT. RfA is not a forum to "crusade for fairness," one might say.

Demographically, Wikipedia is populated largely by liberal-minded white people. This means that ignorance of the depth of racial injustice is sometimes a problem (User:Deeceevoice's efforts in the cause of Afrocentrism are an example of this that dismayed me especially.) However, that ignorance (when it does arise) is usually easy to defeat with calm, dispassionate discussion. While a small segment of the editing community (especially occasional vandals) is undoubtedly racist, I have not encountered malicious racism in any admin. Unconscious racism is a problem for all people, but this is, again, easily counter-acted by reasonable discourse. Wikipedia is not a project to foster world peace, and we do not need to all love each other; what is required is that each of us is devoted to the encyclopedia and its quality. Every admin I now know understands this, and (whatever their private demons), they are fully capable of focusing on content-merit questions in a relatively open-minded way.

Volunteering to build a free encyclopedia for a non-profit organization is, in my opinion, an extraordinarily noble goal. That goal helps self-select for intelligent, kind-hearted folks of every color. While there exceptions to every rule, I have found the community quite wise in its general conduct. If folks get the impression that a person's primary reason for editing is to advance a cause (even one as well-meant and sorely-needed as social justice) rather than to build the encyclopedia, they may exhibit a lack of patience with that person after a time. This might have happened to you.

If there are any AfD decisions you find offensive, please refer me to them, and I will examine them and see if a DRV is in order. Best wishes, Xoloz 02:19, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Your reply is wonderful to read, and I now see that you are dedicated to the project. Your RfA nomination statement probably rankled a few people (not me -- I commented strickly on wiki-space experience, an area of focus for me in evaluating candidates.) If you continue along your present course, and contribute regularly to XfDs, I'll be happy to nominate you for RfA myself in April or May. A nomination by someone else has an extra virtue besides the obvious: if a small misstep in the statement occurs, people blame the nominator, and not the candidate! ;)

Ah, pornography -- a true hotbed of policy formation always. As my userpage suggests, I too have an affection for erotica, especially those more obscure facets outside the mainstream (sexual fetish.) I share your concern that Wikipedia should be careful not to allow censorship in this sensitive area; at the same, I recognize that any controversial area will be held to the highest sourcing standards, if for no other reason than because there will be a large population of editors, with conflicting views, who might take an interest in the subject. This is a good thing -- I wish that every subject might provoke the depth of thought, policy-wise on Wikipedia, that pornography has, but pornography is one fine "jumping-off point" for further policy clarification.

I'm sure you know of WP:PORNBIO. This is the cornerstone of notability for pornography, and establishes a good set of criteria for the inclusion of individuals. The inclusion of organizations distributing pornography would be generally covered by WP:CORP. Unfortunately, no consensus guideline yet exists for the inclusion of awards, but a partial list of some notable ones is given within WP:PORNBIO. I am not certain, examinining your talk page comment, but it appears you've had trouble with objections to the inclusion of "lists of awardees" (CyberPlaymate of the Month, etc.) Such lists raise not only notability, but also copyright concerns. While Wikipedia may reference the fact of award to a person in his/her article, the compilation of a list of such awardees as an individual article may violate copyright, depending on the circumstance.

The admin(s) who closed any AfDs on Playboy Online did a tiny bad thing, administratively speaking. They did not list the outcomes of the debates (with links) at the relevant article talk page. When you see this happen, prod the admin gently. Every (non-delete) XfD outcome should be posted on the relevant items talk page. As a result of this failure of proper process, I cannot easily find the AfD discussions to which you refer.

Userpages with images of the KKK may be eligible either for speedy deletion (CSD G10), or consideration at MfD. There may be good reason for the use of the image. The aforementioned African-American user Deeceevoice (whose works, if not always her interpersonal relations, I admired) used a Klan picture on her page as an "empowerment/shock" tactic, similar to the employment of the N word in African-American authored works. Even this proved somewhat troubling to many (for an analogue, consider the African-American activists who asked for a total ban on the N word -- even among black performers -- in the aftermath of Michael Richards' recent stupidity.) Ultimately, her userpage was personally deleted by Wikipedia founder Jimbo Wales. Please refer any such userpage to me, and I will pursue appropriate remedy.

Best wishes, Xoloz 23:21, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Comment on your withdrawn RfA

I'm really not sure if I was going to switch to support or oppose as I had reasons to go either direction. However, I do want to say that I appreciate the candor of your nomination. That was one of the things that made me want to support. —Doug Bell ^talk 02:55, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Re the thank-you message: my advice is this - don't carry out what you wrote, because ultimately it will be used to oppose you in your next RFA. Try to maintain a balance between learning the behind-the-scenes processes at Wikipedia, while at the same time, continuing to contribute to the encyclopedia. Good luck. – Chacor 15:58, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: E. Normus Category

See Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 December 5#Category:Fictional heroes. In future you can see what day the discussion was on by checking my deletion log. the wub "?!" 10:01, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Action City

Hello,

Thank you for your stub submission. You may wish to note that it is preferable to use a stub template from Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub types instead of using simply {{stub}}, if you can.

Thanks! --Vox Causa 00:36, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Mass mailing

I did them all individually. You might have a word with the friendly bods at WP:BOTREQ they're usually really helpful but I've never asked them to do a mass mailing before - let me know what happens. --Mcginnly | Natter 15:59, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Excellent candidate statement

Would you help me with citation marks? I'm crap at learning some things. The article is James McCune Smith. I have the goal of removing all the red links and...well, I have several goals related to this page. Thank you. NinaEliza 17:32, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the information and edits. To clarify, I didn't submit this article for review myself, but I liked the results. It's so close, I just need citation marks. I'm really trying to educate myself, but I realize now I asked someone to "do my homework for me". I need to know these things if I'm going to create these articles. Thanks again,NinaEliza 18:25, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. I didn't mean to say that the article in question received an unsolicited review, it's just that I didn't submit it. The editor who did worked on it previously, and appears to not want to work on it again at this time. I'd rather not name the person, but I did find out who it was.

My question (and yours) about citation marks appears to have been answered by this. I'm going to try to figure it out tonight. Thanks again for your help, NinaEliza (talk • contribs • count • logs • email) 15:35, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Category:African American businesspeople

Category:African American businesspeople was changed to Category:American businesspeople to remove the ethnicity from categories. Do you have an opinion? Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2006 December 14 --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 21:07, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I invited you as a friend with common interests. I assumed both reasons would make the topic of interest to you since you have written on categories and on business people. Remember both are of interest to me too. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 23:31, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Don't forget I still have a subscription to the New York Times archive if you need something looked up. I also have access to the Census and other historical documents from ancestry.com. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk • contribs) 23:44, 14 December 2006 (UTC).

admin part 2

I think that if you follow those guidelines you left on my talk page for another 3000 edits or so you definitely will be ready for adminship, and I'm sure I'll support. ⇒ SWATJester ^{On Belay!} 01:39, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Argo Tea

Hi, just to let you know the article was kept when the nomination was withdrawn. I've closed the nom and removed the AfD template from the page. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 02:09, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Wow!

Whoa, Tony! Don't stress yourself out. It's good to be strict, but don't let it dominate your life. bibliomaniac15 06:08, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Its up

I loaded it onto the article discussion page. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 19:38, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

When requesting semi-protection

Hello TonyTheTiger. If you wish to request a page be semi-protected, please follow the instructions at WP:RFPP rather than placing a message directly on the article. Thanks, Can't sleep, clown will eat me 15:14, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Re:Semi-protection

It's all a difference of templates. They both mean the same thing - semi protection - and I believe people are using the new lock template at the corner of the page because it's not that big, and doesn't take up much space on the page. I personally use a script that automatically puts on the original {{sprotect}} tag on, so that's why my template was different. However, it's still the same thing; IP's and newly registered users can't edit the page. Nishkid64 19:53, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Newly registered = people who made a new account within the last 4 days. Nishkid64 20:07, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Ceyockey RfA

A generic but nonetheless warm "thank you" for your generous words of support in my RfA. I'm glad that you affirmed Radiant's nomination and I'll be measured in my use of the cleaning closet's contents. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 22:38, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

David Ruben RfA

TonyTheTiger/Archive 5, thank you for your support in my RfA which passed on 13th December 2006 with a tally of 49/10/5. I am delighted by the result and a little daunted by the scope of the additional tools; I shall be cautious in my use of them. I am well aware that becoming an Admin is not just about a successful nomination, but a continuing process of gaining further experience; so thank you for your kind offer of assistance if required and likewise I shall welcome any feedback on my Admin tasks. Again, many thanks for supporting my RfA. :-) David Ruben 01:40, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

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CHICOTW

Sure, we could do that. I've been slowly working with all of the mayor pages, trying to make them consistent. Mostly, I've added the politician infobox and uploaded some public domain photos I found, but most of the individual Chicago mayor articles need cleanup and expansion. I have some other Chicago related articles that need work too, but the problem is always "where do you start?" The best thing to do is just pick an article and start working one at a time. Why don't we pick something relatively easy to begin with? Maybe Jackson Park (Chicago) or Washington Park, Chicago?

Additionally, how about using a bot to automatically choose a stub or short article each week? Similar to suggest bot? I don't know how to use or program bots so that's just an idea. TheQuandry 17:53, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Tony

I don't have time to check them out now, but I will - thanks a lot! NinaEliza (talk • contribs • count • logs • email) 18:58, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: William Burnet

I don't have that much knowledge about government positions, but (at least in colonial times) I don't believe that it was uncommon for someone to be governor of more than one state. If you scroll down William Burnet's page, the succession box shows that several other governors simultaneously held positions as governor of NJ + NY (ex, Robert Hunter (general), who also happened to be governor of VA, John Montgomerie, and so on). I imagine that this would be similar for the governors of other adjacent states. About Campbell's Soup Cans, glad to be of assistance. AZ _t 01:16, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Birth and Deaths

My super secret for finding deaths in the USA after 1960 is SSDI. If people died in states such as Florida; California, Connecticut Ohio, and New York City, I can usually access their state death indexes from my paid subscription to ancestry.com. If someone died and the New York Times covered the death I have access to that also. Oh, and I can get birth years and siblings from the 1850-1940 census. Most births are kept secret for 70 years except in California. They used to be secret to protect out of wedlock births, but now are secret to protect against identity theft. I used the SSDI to find one death on the list and already added it. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 01:41, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I might have a secret resource for births for you, but you will have to be careful, its easier to get the wrong person. I think there is a free list of people and their ages and even their birthdays based on either drivers licenses or local tax records. Let me look overnight for them. I am in California all week, so I will be up late. If you want to full Bush biographies I will paste them into the discussion so you can dissect them for useful information. Have you ever done your own family history? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 02:48, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Check out the other resources at rootsweb.com. World Connect already had the Busch death dates. Congrats at your article making it up the ladder. I haven't had any move that far. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 03:06, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

For Adolphus Busch the obit is uploaded in a gif format, not text. Text doesn't start in the NYT until 1981. You can try downloading a free OCR program and see if there is enough resolution in the text for it to translate it for you. I can do it the first time if you want, to see if it can. There is a lot of good info in the obit. I am always amazed at how much info exists and how little ends up in the brief encyclopedia entries. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 03:46, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Do you edit using Mozilla Firefox or using IE7? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 03:47, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

You would do a much better job that me! You should be able to just click on the image I left on the page as a media file and begin reading it. I split my screen in half and open wordpad and take notes from the image. The OCR didn't translate the text, there wasn't enough resolution in it. Did you get to read it. It's a great story. Do you see the link? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 05:59, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Did you upgrade to Firefox 2.0 yet? The spellchecker is awesome. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 06:51, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Chicago COTW

Hi TonyTheTiger, Got your message. First, I'd like to say awesome job reviving the Chicago COTW - glad to see it back.

About Intelligentisa, I think the main problem is that most of the links and references are to awards/"best ofs" the company has won. I think we don't need all of them, since a couple of links will definitely get the picture across that people really like them. I don't know much about the company, but perhaps a little more history could be thrown in. With a few less links and a little more history I don't think anyone would have a problem with the article. It may have also riled people that Intelligentsia it was the COTW, when there are articles about "bigger" Chicago-related places that are just as short. Hull House, Chicago Theatre and the DuSable Museum all come to mind. Anyhow, the current noms up for COTW are great and all really deserving. Keep up the good work. - AKeen 17:33, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Media file

• New York Times; October 11, 1913; Adolphus Busch Dies in Prussia; St. Louis's Millionaire Brewer Suffered from Dropsy for Seven Years. Langenschwalbach, Prussia, October 10, 1913.

The media file was embedded: Busch I —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk • contribs) 19:14, 19 December 2006 (UTC).

Here is the next file: Busch III

Is the type too small? If you click on them it should expand them to full size, or you can download them to your desktop and open them with any image editor. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 21:39, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Kevin McKay

I noticed your AfD for the above. The following articles created by the same editor also look suspect. Perhaps you will consider listing them for deletion as well: Glasgow Underground Recordings and Breastfed Recordings. Cheers, Ohconfucius 06:43, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Family stories

Don't forget to write down family stories while you are with relatives. Make a chart on paper of all your aunts and uncles, and get as much birth and death information as you can. If you brought a scanner, scan an early pictures you can get a hold of. I bought my scanner for just $25. I want to hear some stories when you get back. Don't forget to look at familysearch.org and see if there is anything n your family. Its the Mormon website and it has info from Panama families. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 00:33, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Media files

You upload them the same way as any picture file. Then take the link: Image:Busch-Adolph 1913 obit.gif and change the word to media: Media:Busch-Adolph 1913 obit.gif. That makes it not display, and lets you enlarge it by clicking on it. You can still get back to the original by typing the original name: Image:Busch-Adolph 1913 obit.gif if you need to edit the text, but this version isn't exandable.

Barack Obama

I dunno, my own I guess. I was the one who originally protected it, and I figured it wouldn't get much vandalism during the holidays and all. Did I do something wrong? Khoikhoi 06:34, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, it hasn't really been getting that much vandalism since I unprotected it, and if you see Jimbo's userpage, "You can edit this page right now" is a core guiding check on everything that we do. We must respect this principle as sacred. I just feel that leaving the page protected for too long will discourage newcomers from being bold and contributing. Khoikhoi 10:54, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

It really isn't that much compared to George W. Bush. Khoikhoi 20:29, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Agathoclea's RfA

Hello, and thank you for the support on my recent RfA. The final tally was 63/3/2, and I have now been entrusted with the mop. I hope I can live up to your trust, and certainly welcome any and all feedback. All the best, and thanks again! — Agathoclea 13:55, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Haystacks

Yes, I will cite sources for the article in the near future. Thank you for creating the entry, and have a good holiday! JNW 19:13, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Washington Park Race Track

I included it in the Washington Park page because I wasn't (and still am not) convinced it deserves its own page, although I'm moving in that direction and may split it out if someone doesn't beat me to it. I'll update the cites on my next pass through the article. Shsilver 23:35, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Salsa music

Thanks for the kind words, and feel free to expand the article. I'm certainly no expert, and any omission is just because none of the sources I found covered those topics. That's by no means totally comprehensive, of course (and its certainly possible I just missed something). But anyway, please do what you can to expand the article. I'd love to see some more specific subarticles too, like history of salsa music, but I have very little wikiing time right now. Tuf-Kat 03:24, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Do you think you could add a cite for that "most sold salsa album" thing? A "citationneeded" in the middle of afeatured article is rather unseemly. Circeus 14:22, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Jerry Rivera

Hey Tony,

Here's the source: Source: National Fundation of Popular Culture (Spanish)

By the way, you've got a great name! Tony the Marine 19:36, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

CHICOTW

Hi Tony. I withdrew my original nomination and replaced with something that needs a lot more work. Hope this is better. TheQuandry 21:32, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Got your message, and tried to fix my nomination accordingly. Let me know if it needs anything else. Also, thanks for doing a great job leading this collaboration. Best, L Glidewell 01:02, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Achh. Missed the 25 word part. Sorry, and fixed. L Glidewell 01:23, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

{{Chicago neighborhoods}}

I'm not clear what you meant. The template is showing fine: Collapsible templates are hidden by default in the script. I did fix the width issue though.Circeus 23:42, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Not possible without removing the collapsibility. Sorry.Circeus 23:55, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't think anybody would complain.Circeus 00:16, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Collapsability removed. And as far as I know, there is no reason this code would not be centered. What are you using?Circeus 16:17, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Campbell's Soup Cans

Errr... I didn't add too much to the article, just replaced picture because of copyright issues. But if you ask me, I think it's OK the way it is now. Cheers - Hu Totya 01:48, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Haystacks

Hi. I added citations to my research on Haystacks (Monet). When you have the chance, give it a look, and feel free to add cites for your material, especially the 'thematic' section. Have a very happy new year, JNW 01:25, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Fair use image debate

Sure, just have a look at Wikipedia:Fair Use/Publicity photos. That's the central location now, and if you scroll down a bit, there's a collection of all the other discussion/debate pages associated with this topic. TheQuandry 06:28, 31 December 2006 (UTC)