User talk:Tropical sunset

The information on Wikipedia about Darjeeling and Ghum has major flaws. The language section is utter rubbish. Nobody speaks the languages mentioned there. Only Nepali and English are widely spoken. Bengali is restricted to a small section (government offices that also only when talking with the Bengali bureaucrats and even some of them understand and speak in Nepali). I had edited but some ignorant fool or maybe a propaganda machine has dropped my edited work. Wikipedia has lost the trust I had. Subash Ghising according to the wise ass is still in power. Are you in the Stone Age?

December - 2014[edit]

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. You appear to be engaged in an edit war with one or more editors according to your reverts at Ghum, West Bengal. Although repeatedly reverting or undoing another editor's contributions may seem necessary to protect your preferred version of a page, on Wikipedia this is usually seen as obstructing the normal editing process, and often creates animosity between editors. Instead of edit warring, please discuss the situation with the editor(s) involved and try to reach a consensus on the talk page.

If editors continue to revert to their preferred version they are likely to be blocked from editing. This isn't done to punish an editor, but to prevent the disruption caused by edit warring. In particular, editors should be aware of the three-revert rule, which says that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. While edit warring on Wikipedia is not acceptable in any amount, breaking the three-revert rule is very likely to lead to a block. Thank you. Bladesmulti (talk) 05:17, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This is your last warning. The next time you disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Ghum, West Bengal with this edit, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Bladesmulti (talk) 05:17, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mr. Bladesmulti, please see the eighth article of the Indian Constitution. Nepali is an official language recognized by the Indian constitution and it is one of the official languages of the Gorkhaland Territorial Administration.

And if you think supplying correct information is disrupting please block me right away. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tropical sunset (talk • contribs)

Got any link/citation? Bladesmulti (talk) 05:30, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Indian Constitution[edit]

http://lawmin.nic.in/coi/coiason29july08.pdf

Nepali is included as one of the 22 language and Guma is not mentioned. Bladesmulti (talk) 05:53, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It is the eighth schedule not the eighth article. A small error. Anyway, Ghum is a part of the Darjeeling Municipality.

First of all, Darjeeling is a district in the state of West Bengal. There are four sub-divisions in this district - Darjeeling, Kurseong, Kalimpong and Siliguri. Darjeeling, Kurseong and Kalimpong are in the hills. Kurseong and Kalimpong have some area in the plains as well. These three sub-divisions form another administrative body called the Gorkhaland Territorial Administration the official language of which is Nepali. In fact the North Bengal University has a Nepali Reader.

Ghum is a small town in the Darjeeling sub-division. It also comes under ward number one of the Darjeeling Municipality. The municipality area, in fact, starts from Ghum. So it is a very small town in Darjeeling sub-division of the district (Darjeeling district) (And also a part of the Darjeeling Municipality).

The schedule lists only the languages that are recognized, not the places where they are used.

http://mha.nic.in/hindi/sites/upload_files/mhahindi/files/pdf/Eighth_Schedule.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tropical sunset (talk • contribs)

Citation has no support for Nepali language. Bladesmulti (talk) 06:51, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

GTA[edit]

Do check this as well.

http://www.gta-darjeeling.org/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tropical sunset (talk • contribs)

Only having a website availiable in Nepali is not enough. Bladesmulti (talk) 06:54, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I thought you didn't have the information regarding GTA's existence because of which I contributed the link (and it is in English not in Nepali if that is what you mean). Anyway, as far as the language is concerned I have given you the link to the Indian government website. That should be definitive. I have seen articles in Wikipedia which have little or no links/citations at all and they are doing fine. Is it the number of links or the credibility of the websites that the links point to that decides whether the information is correct or not?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepali_language

Anway, I have some more government websites.

http://www.darjeeling.gov.in/

http://westbengal.gov.in/

If you still think the way you are thinking right now I can do nothing about it.

(There are plenty of other links) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tropical sunset (talk • contribs)

Read Wikipedia:Verify, Wikipedia:Reliable source. Bladesmulti (talk) 07:16, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Citation[edit]

Citation has no support for Nepali language? Don't make me laugh, please. You mean the Indian Constitution does not mention Nepali language? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tropical sunset (talk • contribs)

It is not supporting Nepali language as a major language of Guma. Bladesmulti (talk) 07:16, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, it is not Guma but Ghum (also Ghoom). As I told you before, the objective of the eighth schedule is to show which languages are recognized. The places that these twenty-two languages are specifically used aren't mentioned. The schedule tells us that these are the official languages of India. That in fact is its sole objective.

It seems you are saying that Ghum is not a part of India. Is it a part of Bangladesh? Well, Darjeeling (and Ghum is a part of Darjeeling) used to be a part of Nepal long time ago and that is the reason why Nepali is still spoken there. When the British left India they left Darjeeling with the Indian Union. Darjeeling along with its residents. You can think of it like this - "The Nepali speaking people migrated to India with their land i.e. Darjeeling of which Ghum is a small part".

The purpose of the schedule is to show that these languages are recognized in India. It isn't its purpose to show which language is spoken in which part of India. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tropical sunset (talk • contribs)

"these twenty-two languages are specifically used aren't mentioned", they should. Bladesmulti (talk) 07:39, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darjeeling_district

Just go through the language section of this link. See I don't need to do this but I am. Nobody owns Wikipedia. It is an encyclopedia of consensus. You are just a user like me. You don't have special privilege and if you do have then please block me. I don't want to be a part of your lie. I am an ethnic Bengali but have been in Darjeeling for a long time now. I love the people here and know that many lies have been spread about them. You are part of this propaganda for reasons best known to you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tropical sunset (talk • contribs)

Official language is only Bengali. Additional language is English and Nepali, but if you look at your changes[1] you will find them to be somewhat different compared to what you are referring here. Bladesmulti (talk) 08:16, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Remember you have inserted all those Tibeto-Burman languages like Kirat, Magar, Khambu and others which aren't spoken at all. People are trying to revive those languages. Handful of people. It is very clearly mentioned in the Wikipedia "Darjeeling district" article that more than 50 percent of the people speak Nepali. In fact, in the Darjeeling Hills of which Ghum is an integral part, 100% people speak Nepali. Even the people from Bihari, Marwari, Tibetan and other communities. In Darjeeling Municipality of which Ghum is again a part, one of the official languages is Nepali. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tropical sunset (talk • contribs) 08:27, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have never made any changes to that page before. If 100% people speak Nepali, then why you have no citation for that? Bladesmulti (talk) 08:32, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You didn't make changes because of which Subash Ghising and his DGAHC was still in power. Subash Ghising has been out of power since 2008. Been more than six years.

It's because of gentlemen like you and your very legalistic, biased and opaque approach why there's so much unrest in the country. Even the eighth schedule and other authentic sources fail to convince you. Have you ever been to Ghum? You don't even know the spelling and you are trying to be an expert. You are trying to treat Ghum as an entity apart from Darjeeling. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tropical sunset (talk • contribs)

Removed personal attack Bladesmulti (talk) 09:48, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

One last thing. Where's the citation for all those tribal languages you are talking about? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tropical sunset (talk • contribs)

I haven't talked about the changes concerning Subash Ghising. I was talking about the relevance of Nepali language and you haven't backed it. Ghuma, Guma, Ghum are same things,[2] if you are still talking about the name, i would say that you are picking wrong subject. We are not living in 12th century anymore, that's why there is no need to go to Ghum for knowing about it's languages. Bladesmulti (talk) 09:48, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This is your only warning; if you make personal attacks on other people again, as you did on User talk:Tropical sunset [3] you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Comment on issue, not on other people. Bladesmulti (talk) 09:48, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, we are in the 21st century where the so called developed countries can't manage to find a missing plane. One needs to stop being an armchair expert and go to the field to find out. Field work will always be relevant. And yes, names matter a lot. Why don't you ask the Americans to start calling themselves Russians? You are sending me warnings as if you own Wikipedia. Many people don't trust Wikipedia and I now know for sure why.

Go to those places which appear as dots for you in the map. They are peopled by human beings like you and me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tropical sunset (talk • contribs) 09:55, 12 December 2014‎ (UTC)[reply]

Forget about planes, you have to only find a citation about Ghuma, where Nepali is listed over Bengali as a language. Bladesmulti (talk) 10:03, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I ain't your errand boy. Just check on one of the long list of links you have put on your "expert" Darjeeling article and get the citation.— Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])

It is not about Nepali being spoken, but it is much more about how we can consider Nepali over Bengali? None of those citation support your view. This is not a minor edit, stop abusing that option. Bladesmulti (talk) 10:16, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Have a look at the official language section in the below mentioned article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepali_language

It is written Nepal and India. In India it has been written Sikkim and Darjeeling District of West Bengal. Ghum is not only a part of this Darjeeling District, it is also a part of the Darjeeling sub-division and Darjeeling Municipality. It is the official language of the neighboring state of Sikkim as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tropical sunset (talk • contribs) 10:52, 12 December 2014‎ (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for writing, I have added {{citation needed}} tag to each wherever they have mentioned it as a official language, will remove or rephrase if nothing has been done for over 1 week. Bladesmulti (talk) 11:22, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Go through this.

http://www.censusindia.gov.in/2011-documents/lsi/LSI_Sikkim_Part%20-II/Chapter_II.pdf

There are so many other languages which have no citation. Why are you targeting Nepali?

I mean until today Subash Ghising, at least for some Wikipedia readers was still in power. Six long years, my friend. What problem do you have with Nepali? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tropical sunset (talk • contribs)

I would have removed it, but I didn't because I have to see for the clarification for, you don't have clarification for your changes, and I am not getting that how you are treating Nepali language over Bengali language in Ghum. Bladesmulti (talk) 11:52, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

8th Schedule[edit]

I have already given you my clarification with enough evidence.

On top of that it is simply because of the fact that Nepali is the major language in the district of which Ghum is a part.

http://parliamentofindia.nic.in/lsdeb/ls10/ses3/2124049201.htm

This link is that of another government website. It has recorded the proceedings of the parliament way back in 1992 when they finally included Nepali and some other languages in the eighth schedule. The fact that they included it bears witness that somewhere in the country the language is spoken by a good number of people. The main concentration of Nepali speakers are in the state of Sikkim and the Darjeeling district of West Bengal. There are Nepali speakers in the Northeastern states, Uttarakhand and other parts of India. It was, however, because of Darjeeling and Sikkim that the government chose to recognize this language. The lady who took up the issue to the parliament at that time, Smt Dil Kumari Bhandari, happens to be the wife of former Chief Minister of Sikkim Sri Nar Bahadur Bhandari. She was also a member of parliament at that time.

Just go through it and please bring yourself out of this Nepali hating mob.

I have given you enough citations but your circular argument is leading us nowhere. You know by now that Nepali is among the 22 official languages of India. That would logically lead to the reason why it was included in this list. It was included because it is used somewhere in our diverse country. This "somewhere" happens to be Sikkim and Darjeeling and Ghum happens to be an integral part of Darjeeling; just six kilometers from the main town. Itself a part of the municipality.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Tropical sunset (talk • contribs)

http://parliamentofindia.nic.in/lsdeb/ls10/ses3/2124049201.htm has nothing about Ghuma or Guma or Ghum. It is also not saying that Bengali is not spoken like you are suggesting.

Who is the Nepali hating mob? Bladesmulti (talk) 12:49, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

http://echoofindia.com/darjeeling-gurung-announces-use-nepali-official-language-gta-65386

http://darjeelingtimes.com/archive/opinions/political/1697-does-darjeeling-have-a-place-in-democratic-india-.html

But I am saying that people don't. You are just arguing for the sake of arguing. You are missing the point. According to article 347 of the Indian constitution the government includes a language in the 8th schedule if that language is widely spoken in a given area. The fact that the government has included Nepali proves that it is being widely spoken in Darjeeling (of which Ghum is a part) and Sikkim. It was the leaders of this two place that led a delegation to Delhi then. The Nepali Bhasa Andolan (Nepali Language Agitation) took place for a long time. Two protesters viz Krishna Subba and Deoraj Sharma died in 1980 in a police firing. You don't have any idea what you are getting into. It is a recognition won by a lot of sacrifice and perseverance. You don't know anything about this place. The fact that you didn't know about Bimal Gurung and GTA all these years proves that you have no credibility. Do whatever you like. Keep flying in the cyber-sky. Our country will see more violence because of ignorant buggers like you. Please don't reply. I am not going to open this stupid account anymore. Do whatever you want to. Go to hell with all your ignorance and stupid arguments. Whenever you hear of violence in the buffer zones like Darjeeling and Nagaland remember it's because of ignorant fools like you. Stay inside the safe confines of your Delhi our Mumbai hideout and keep preaching. The likes of you = Nepali hating mob.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Tropical sunset (talk • contribs) 14:50, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Given area identifies as Ghum? It is not even claiming that Bengali is not an official language of Darjeeling. Bladesmulti (talk) 14:55, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]