User talk:Urjanhai

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Finnish/English naming[edit]

Regarding this edit[1] and others, please can I draw your attention to WP:UE. The names in question are those used in English. Järvi is the Finnish word for "Lake"—referring the something as "Lake Something Lake" is incorrect, regardless of language and does not reflect WP:COMMONNAME! Please resist making any further related modifications or changes without prior discussion. —Sladen (talk) 16:55, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I guess you are wrong, as can be seen from other names in the Category:Lakes of Finland. In finnish there are names of lakes, that do not contain the word "järvi" (lake) like Saimaa, Pielinen and Päijänne and others like Tuusulanjärvi or Lake Tuusulanjärvi, in which the word "järvi" is an essential part of the name, and forms like "Lake Tuusula" are thus incorrect, because Tuusula is the name of municipality, not the name of the lake. This can be verified by any experienced user of english Wikipedia that is a native finnish speaker (which I guess you are not). Similar corrections have been done before (for example the incorrect form Lemme River was corrected) and will be done also in future if incorrect forms occur. And please note that I corrected only two names in the Category:Lakes of Finland; the rest were correct from the point of view of the finnish language and needed not to be corrected. Please try not master nuances of foreign languages that clearly are not familiar to you. Other finnsh speaking users who may be more experienced users of the en-wikipedia than me will surely be of same opinion with me.Urjanhai (talk) 17:15, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Remember that this is en.wikipedia; not fi.wikipedia—your are correct that I am not a native speaker of Finnish; my perspective comes from a native British English speaker who has had the pleasure of moving to Finland. The awareness is of what English-speakers in Finland use when communicating in English. Of course not all lake names end -järvi, but either does one knowingly repeat "Lake" twice—just as one would not say "River Vantaa River".

The common-name English term is not always of suomi origin; often it comes from the swedish language variant if that is more convenient (this is not related to the local population; think Turku/Åbo despite being in a Swedish-speaking locale).

Sometimes the common-use English term is not Finnish or Swedish... down at the south end of the Saimaa Canal we reach a maritime port with four to five choices of pronunciation, depending upon who one is communicating with—the likely chosen pronounciation being different depending on whether one is talking (in English) to a Finn, (in English) to a Russian, or (in English) to an English speaker.

A native knowledge of Finnish, Swedish, or Russian could well be a subtle inconvenience in these instance, as it is likely to mask an awareness what is used in English–English communication. —Sladen (talk) 17:59, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The informal use of languge in multilingual speech communities may well move the use of languge towards such forms that you propose, but at least from what I have learned in finnish wikipedia, users are always requiered to rely on secondary sources. So perhaps there are really evolving new english variants of finnish place names (as well as for example albanian; in case of albanian this has been verified by secondary sources). And if this is the case, then, perhaps they should be accepted in cases lake Lake Nuijamaa and Lake Tuusula, if this really is the case. But anyway, forms like Lake Nuijamaan, Lemme River or pl:Kokemäen are to my view still to be concidered incorrect. And even in the case of "Lake Tuusula" and "Lake Nuijamaa" I would like to hear the final word from some professional of finnish language (as I myself am only an amateur and not a linguist).Urjanhai (talk) 18:23, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am not qualified to know what forms sq.wikipedia would chose and they could differ from both English and Finnish variants; for the country of "Finland" itself, at least the forms sq:Finlanda, Finlandeze, Finlandës appear to be used.

I would presume that the following was produced by a professional: tuusula.fi/english/ ("... on the east side of Lake Tuusula", "... surroundings of Lake Tuusula", "heart of the municipality is Lake Tuusula", "on Lake Tuusula", and "around the Tuusula Lake").

"Lake Nuijamaan" got speedily deleted after my earlier typo.[2]. We should assume that pl:Kokemäen is correct (on pl.wikipedia) if that's what is used in Polish—I'm not a qualified Polish speaker to know otherwise. —Sladen (talk) 19:34, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In translations there very often seems to be several possibilities, so maybe a quite liberal point of view must be accepted. For example in lt-wikipedia the name of fi:Kymijoki is lt:Kiumijokis (or something like that, and Michael Jackson is "Maikls Džeksons" in latvian, etc.), and thus practically any given pair of two different languages is a special case. So, maybe I rest my case, as they say in american drama, and any further cases perhaps should be handled case by case according to the sources available and avoiding original research as much as possible.--Urjanhai (talk) 20:49, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And as can be seen from your "correction" Nuijamaanjärvi to Lake Nuijamaan, you really seem to have no idea whatsoever of the right use of finnish names in english context. I myself have read hundreds of pages of scientific english with finnish place names, and I know that forms like "Tuusulanjärvi" or "Lake Tuusulanjärvi" or "Tuusulanjärvi Lake" are correct from the point of view of finnish language (and I have also seen them used in translation made by native english speaking translators in scientif text). Whereas forms like "Lake Nuijamaan" or "Lake Nuijamaa" are incorrect. The first rule of using foreign language place names is not to mutilate them, but instead use the correct forms used in the original language; what form is used after that can be freely chosen. And again, I must emphasize, that there were only two incorrect forms in the whole catecory Category:Lakes of Finland, which I corrected, and which you now, withouth a slightest idea of the commonly accepted practices of translation of finnish place names in english in scientific geographic text, are trying to master with very unpromising results. In my bookshelf I have dozens of scientific articles translated in english by native english speaking translators, from which I could easily pick examples (and will do that if needed) that I am right and you have no Idea whatsoever which is the correct practice. --Urjanhai (talk) 17:53, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See[3]. Requested and fixed before the above was even written. —Sladen (talk) 18:02, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

May I suggest a naming convention that drops the river (or lake) part of the name only when the main word is in nominative case, eg. Aurajoki --> Aura River. Whenever it is followed by an 'n' (the genitive case ending) the name should be rendered in full with the latter joki or järvi part included, eg. Lemmenjoki River, Lake Tuusulanjärvi.--Khaosaming (talk) 18:49, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

These really seem to proceed towards the domain of professional linguists and translation scientists, so better not do anything too quickly, some forms may well be accepted from the point of view of present day multilingual finnish-english speech community, and the rest may well be as they are now or as they are chosen to be. For examle, from the point of view of finnish language the forms "Pielinen", "Lake Pielinen" and "Pielinen Lake" (which kind of forms all seem to occur) are wholly internal question of the english language, but the chopping of finnish names is something that should be proceedeed from the point of view of the multilingual englis-finnish sppeech community and the purists of the finnish and english speech communities as well in such manner that neither the english or finnish language is mutilated and also the multilingual community can accept the result, as should be done in good transtlation in any case. At least in finnish wikipedia I know some professional linguists but naturally I cannot promise from their behalf that they would have anything to say in this. So let's no do anything abrupt.Urjanhai (talk) 19:31, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Khaosaming: (English) Wikipedia has a number of policies to help in determining article naming—primarily focused around provable common English-language usage. If the WP:NAME, WP:EN, WP:COMMONNAME, WP:UE and WP:UEIA policies need special-casing in relation to articles covering the geographic areas of Finland, perhaps it'd be worth raising of one of the above talk pages.

As an illustration of variety, it might also be worth having a quick look over an assortment of naming decisions going in the other direction (English→Finnish):

Major rivers: en:River Thames/fi:Thames, en:River Trent/fi:Trent, en:Mississippi River/fi:Mississippi (joki), en:Mga River/fi:Mujajoki, en:Amazon River/fi:Amazon (joki).
Major lakes: en:Windermere/fi:Windermere, hu:Balaton/en:Lake Balaton/fi:Balaton, en:Lake Torrens/fi:Torrensjärvi, en:Lake Eyre/fi:Eyrejärvi.

This would seem to show:

There is variation (hard rules don't necessarily work).
"River" tends to be included as part of The Name (as a separate word), in English.
When "River" is before, or when it is after, is down to specific WP:COMMONNAME usage.
"Lake" tends to be included as part of The Name (as a separate word), in English.
The Finnish name used tends to be -järvi, -joki or just XYZ on its own.

As I am not a qualified native Finnish speaker, I would presume that the above Finnish-language choices are correct (eg. it is based on common usage in the relevant locale). —Sladen (talk) 21:56, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OVERLINK[edit]

Per this edit[4], please could I draw your attention to WP:OVERLINK ("avoid linking ... the names of major geographic features and locations"—eg. countries). —Sladen (talk) 17:21, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently you mean that for example Russia should not be linked? Or st. Petersburg? In finnish wikipedia, if I had written the same there, there would have been nothing incorrect in my linkings (I guess). So perhaps there are then some differences between different wikies? Otherwise you users of english wikipedia should be pleased that I edit these articles and caytegories because now under some hours I have corrected dozens of quite bad elementary fact mistakes (though my english is bad and may need language checks by more native speakers). So is there some difference in this respect?Urjanhai (talk) 17:36, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Correct, en:WP:OVERLINK applies to en.wikipedia and fi:Ohje:Linkit to fi.wikipedia. There are variations, they are not a 1:1 match. St. Petersburg probably makes sense in the example, but the more familiar phrases "Helsinki", "Finland", and "Russia" would not, because they do not give immediate value to a reader (linking every single word or date or year is clutter and hides the import links). One might instead prioritise linking to to the specific articles covering the Karelian Isthmus and South Karelia and let the reader work upwards via those. Your edits are appreciated, especially those that only a native Finnish speaker can pickup on. —Sladen (talk) 18:33, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, there may be perhaps slight differences, and in any case, when using a foreign language, the stilistic nuances are more elaborate to evaluate, and the most appropriate links somewhat less easier to find. And in any case, when the english is bad, there always remains much to be corrected.Urjanhai (talk) 18:43, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

CfD nomination of Category:Tana River basin[edit]

Poem?[edit]

Hi there. Poem is singular. I've changed it to "poetry collection". Those articles need an expert or somebody familiar with his work to expand them into fuller articles. Can you expand his poetry articles? Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 14:54, 27 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I guess my english skills are not so advanced that I would be able to do it english. In any case, the most important thing is the correct definition which is now done. In the references given below the article Aaro Hellaakoski there is some biographical information about the poet, but my skills in english are so poor that I hardly will do much even to the biography.--Urjanhai (talk) 16:29, 27 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of rivers of Sweden[edit]

Hi. I've created an A-Z list of rivers. Can you fix the links so there are no duplicates and so they are correctly linked in English?Starzynka (talk) 13:20, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As a Finn, I unfortunately know the geography of Sweden poorly, so there is little I can do for such an advanced list. If it was Finland I could probably do something, but Sweden is much too difficult for me. So, better ask some Sweden-specialist.--Urjanhai (talk) 09:02, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinates[edit]

Please be aware that Wikipedia-EN uses {{Coord}}, not {{Coor title dms}} or its equivalent. For example. Thank you. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 23:39, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for notifying for that. I am not very familiar with coordinates and so I only pasted them directly from articles in fi-wiki, but noticed already that in fi-wiki they do not work in the lake template of fi-wiki without removing the string "title dms", while they seemed to work in the lake templates of en-wiki. But now as I know it I can remove the string "title dms" also when adding the coordinates in the lake templates in en-wiki. Urjanhai (talk) 07:31, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Addition: the articles in which I pasted coordinates are perhaps mostly in the Category:Kokemäenjoki basin. If you already didn't, I will try to go trough them again in some occasion when I have time.Urjanhai (talk) 07:35, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

User Ashoka (fi:wikipedia)[edit]

I will write this message in finnish.

Hei miksi Ashokan esto on vielä päällä vaikka se umpeutui jo tunti sitten.--Mannerheim (talk) 18:19, 16 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I will answer in finnish, too: Ei mitään hajua, en ole fi-wikin ylläpitäjä ja muutenkin huonosti perehtynyt ylläpidon käytäntöjen yksityiskohtiin. Suosittelen kysymään joltain fi-wikin ylläpitäjältä.Urjanhai (talk) 18:40, 16 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I will answer in finnish, too: Ei hän voi vastava koska on häneltä on estetty lähettämästä sähköpostia. Voisitko kysyä Albvalilta joka esti Ashokan että purkaisi eston koska se meni umpeen jo melkein 2 tuntia sitten.--Mannerheim (talk) 18:45, 16 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Voin laittaa tästä nootin fi-wikin ylläpitäjien ilmoitustaululle sekä Albvalille.Urjanhai (talk) 18:48, 16 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Laita heti Albvalille. Hän saa vielä kuula kunniansa--Mannerheim (talk) 18:53, 16 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kummallekin jätetty tiedoksi.Urjanhai (talk) 18:58, 16 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Olen Ashokan kaveri. Minä muokkaan en:wikipediaa mutta kun luin estostan niin siellä luki Esto poistuu itsestään määritellyn ajan kuluttua, ellei kyseessä ole ikuinen esto. Esto voidaan poistaa etuajassa, jos on ilmeistä, että ongelmaa, jota estolla torjuttiin, ei näytä olevan enää olemassa, tai jos esto asetettiin käytännön vastaisesti eli miksi Ashokan esto vielä voimassa.--Mannerheim (talk) 19:02, 16 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Siellä jo vastattiinkin: "Esto päättyy 22:47:16 Suomen aikaa. Eston päättyminen ilmoitetaan UTC-aikana."Urjanhai (talk) 19:05, 16 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Selvä kiitos.--Mannerheim (talk) 19:08, 16 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Degerby[edit]

Tästähän on ollut koko ajan kysymys: Degerbyn kunta liittyi kokonaisuudessaan Inkoon kuntaan 1946, mutta Porkkalan vuokra-alueella ollut osa tuli osaksi Inkoota käytännössä vasta 1957. --212.226.72.83 (talk) 23:54, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Mutta oliko se silloin enää Degerbytä, kun Degerbyn kunta oli lakannut jo 1946? Pikemminkin se kai oli kuntiin kuulumatonta vuokra-aluetta, jonka alue vuokra-ajan päätyttyä liitettiin viereisiin kuntiin. Kun Degerbyn kunta kerran oli lopetettu 1946 niin miten sen aluetta olisi voinut säilyä jossain naftaliinissa. Vuokra-ajan päätyytyä vain todettiin, että valtakuntaan oli palannut t'ämä alue, ja se liitettiin Inkooseen, muttta ei enää Degerbystä vaan kuntiin kuulumattomasta palautetusta vuokra-alueesta. (Noin mutuna pääterllen, fi-wikin keskustwelussa viitatut säädökset ehkä voivat tarkentaa tätä mutu-päättelyä). Mitään syytä ei ole olettaa että kun Degerbyn kunta lopetettiin, että sen aluetta olisi enää säilynyt missään.--Urjanhai (talk) 19:31, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Juuri noin ennen omaa kommenttiasi tarkoitankin. Degerbyn kunta liitettiin kokonaisuudessaan Inkoon kuntaan 1946. Tokihan suurin osa Degerbyn kunnan alueesta oli sijainnut Porkkalan vuokra-alueella eli Neuvostoliiton hallinnassa vuodesta 1944, joten käytännössä koko Degerbyn kunnan entinen alue tuli osaksi Inkoota vasta 1957. Tuolloinhan myös palautuivat käytännössä oman kunnan yhteyteensä vuokra-alueeseen kuuluneet, koko ajan muodollisesti kuntiensa osina olleet Kirkkonummen, Siuntion ja Degerby-liitosta edeltäneen Inkoon sekä Espoon alueet (joiden piti alkuperäisen aikataulun mukaan palautua vasta 50 vuoden kuluttua eli 1994). --212.226.59.182 (talk) 18:11, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Korjauksia virheellisiin/vaillinaisiin tietoihin fi-Wikissä[edit]

Hei, koska olet tietosanakirjan muokkaaja, korjaa ihmeessä artikkeleihin Heinävesi ja Varkaus, että Enonkoski ei ole ollut niiden naapurikaupunki enää vuoden 2009 alusta. Lisäksi artikkeliin Savonlinna on korjattava, että yhteinen raja oli edellytys kuntien yhdistymiselle: Vähäkyrö on ollut osa Vaasaa vuoden 2013 alusta, vaikka niillä ei ollut yhteistä rajaa.
Myös on aiheellista todeta, että entisen Uukuniemen alueesta liitettiin pieni osa Kiteeseen, vertaapa näitä: Uukuniemen kartta ja Karttapaikka.
Kaikki nuo korjaukset on tietenkin tehty artikkeleihin, mutta kuten olemme huomanneet, ainakaan käyttäjä Otrfania ei ilmeisesti kiinnosta lähes lainkaan muokkausten teko, vaan estettyjen käyttäjien tai niiksi epäiltyjen asiallisten muokkausten kumoaminen.
--WPK (talk) 09:57, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Miten saa virheelliset tiedot korjattua ja päivitettyä vanhentuneet tiedot?[edit]

Hei,

Ensiksi: suomenkielisen Wikipedian kahvihuoneessa on "kuoliaaksi" vaiettu, korjaamaton aihepiiri: Georg Simon Ohmin kotimaa(t)

Toiseksi, laitoin fi-Wikin kahvihuoneen käytännöt-osioon seuraavanlaisen huomautuksen (sittemmin siirrettiin sekalaista-osioon):

Aktia, POP Pankki, Säästöpankit, Itella Pankki
Eipä nukuta tietosanakirjan toimituksessa liittyen Aktiaan, POP Pankkeihin, Säästöpankkeihin ja Itella Pankkiin:

--85.76.20.7 19. maaliskuuta 2013 kello 12.51 (EET)

Tähän tuli vastaus:

Siitä vaan päivittämään artikkeleita rohkeasti. Ei ne itsestään päivity jos tänne laittaa linkkejä. --Stryn (keskustelu) 19. maaliskuuta 2013 kello 12.59 (EET)

Kun sitten totesin:

Ei onnistu. Jos estetty käyttäjä tai edes mahdollisuus, että sellainen voisi olla kyseessä, menisi päivittämään artikkeleita, niin mm. Sinä tai Otrfan kumoaisitte heti. Pääasiana kun ei vaikuta olevan niinkään ajantasaisen tiedon välittäminen, vaan sen kontrollointi, kuka tekee: "väärä" tai sellaiseksi epäiltykin muokkaaja ei saa tehdä oikeinkaan. --85.76.20.7 19. maaliskuuta 2013 kello 13.09 (EET)

, niin eipä aikaakaan, kun Stryn poisti koko aiheen kahvihuoneesta, mutta ei mitään korjauksia tai päivityksiä tapahdu. Minkälainen "sairaus" oikein riivaa suomenkielistä Wikipediaa? --85.76.20.7 (talk) 11:58, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Tämä tuo mieleeni Erkki Pirtolan vierailijana piirtämän stripin sarjakuvaan Naisen kanssa, jossa kuvattiin tilannetta, missä, mies voi ärsyttää naista poikkeuksellisen paljon erityisesti välttämällä olemasta ärsyttävä, mikä lisää miehen ärsyttävyyttä naisen kokemana erityisesti. Samalla tavoin Wikipediassa "vandaali" voi olla erityisen ärsyttävä vandalisoidessaan siten, että tekee rakentavia muokkauksia. Tähän mennessä tämän on kai keksinyt ainakin kolme estettyä muokkaajaa, jotka toistuvasti ovat vandalisoineet wikipediaa tekemällä tahallaan rakentavia muokkauksi. Eli mitä tähän nyt muuta voisi sanoa. (lainausmerkit lisätty kommenttiin jälkikäteen.--Urjanhai (talk) 11:16, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ensinnä: koska WPK tai sellaiseksi epäilty on vandalisoinut WIkipediaa, siis kirjoittanut tyyliin "kakka, pissa, ääliö" tms? Kaikki muokkaukset ovat olleet rakentavia, mutta jos joku toteaa esimerkiksi, että Stenbäckinkatu on lausuttava [steːnbekːiŋkatu], siis ruotsin ck lausuttava kaksois-k:na, kuten esim. nimessä Nacka, mutta "johtavat" ylläpitäjät ovat tottuneet lausumaan yhdellä k:lla, niin tämän toiseksi toteava onkin vandaali. Tai kun korjaa Suomen murrekartan sellaiseksi, kuin tilanne on ollut jo lähes viimeiset 70 vuotta eli esim. Karjalankannaksella ei puhuta Suomea tai jo paljon pitempään ollut seikka eli että Helsingissä puhutaan suomea, niin vandalismia ellei vieläkin pahempaa: "uutta tutkimusta" - muuten, eikös se ole ajantasaisempaa kuin "vanha tutkimus"? Oma tutkimus on sitten asia erikseen.

Toiseksi: ei oikein tullut vielä vastausta, koska ylempänä mainitut artikkelit päivitetään, koskee myös esim. Uukuniemen pienen osan liittämistä Kiteeseen.

--85.76.4.241 (talk) 15:33, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Käytin tuossa käsitettä "vandaali" vain piruilumielessä, mutta ehkä epäonnistuneesti, ja pyydän sitä anteeksi. Kysymyshän om vain siitä, että eri muokkaajilla on eri näkemyksiä, ja toiset saattavat olla toisten mielestä joskus "vandaaleja". Mutta tosiasiassahan tämäntapaisissa erimielisyyksissähän nimenomaan ei ole kysymys vandalismista vaan käytäntösivuiltakin löytyy tämäntapaisille erimielisyyksille muita nimityksiä, ja siksi, jos joku tulee joskus nimittäneeksi tällaisia erimielisyyksiä vandalismiksi muutenkin kuin vitsinä, niin se on epätäsmällistä kielenkäyttöä. --Urjanhai (talk) 18:30, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Kiitos Sinulle, tapasi toimia Wikipediassa ei ole "ruhjova", kuten joskus muilla saattaa olla (myönnän, itselläkin silloin, kun ei malta mieltään).

Kunpa nyt pitäisit huolen ainakin siitä, että fi-Wikin artikkeleihin Aktia, POP Pankki, Säästöpankkiliitto ja Itella Pankki tulisi ajantasaista tietoa (ensinmainitussa lisäksi se, että Aktia sulautuu tytäryhtiöönsä Aktia Pankkiin). Lisäksi, koska olet mm. Karjalan karttojen harrastaja, niin selvitä ja ihan artikkeliin saakka, milloin Suomessa pysyneen Uukuniemen kunnan alueen pohjoisin 'kärki' liitettiin Kiteen kuntaan.

--85.76.4.207 (talk) 20:53, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

PS. Katsopa tätä - "hirvittävä vandaali" iski jälleen tai sitten Otrfan herätti Laukkosen henkiin... Laitoin kiitoksen Rumbinin keskustelusivulle ja myös viittauksen tänne.

Uukuniemi[edit]

Hei, löytyihän tämä Uukuniemen osaliitos Kiteeseen, Finlexistä: Päätös eräiden tilojen ja alueiden siirtämisestä Uukuniemen kunnasta Kiteen kuntaan ja myös: Päätös oikaisuluontoisesta korjauksesta valtioneuvoston 13 päivänä toukokuuta 1965 antamaan päätökseen eräiden tilojen ja alueiden siirtämisestä Uukuniemen kunnasta Kiteen kuntaan, sekä erään tilan siirtämisestä Uukuniemen kunnasta Kiteen kuntaan.
Löytyipä tällainenkin, myös Finlexistä: Päätös Uukuniemen siirtämisestä Kuopion läänistä Kymen lääniin. Todellakin, Uukuniemi ei siirtynyt suoraan Viipurin läänistä Kymen lääniin, sillä (epäsuora) viittaus löytyy Verkkouutisista, Eduskunta hyväksyi viisi lääniä: "Kymen lääni perustettiin menetetyn Viipurin [läänin] tilalle vuonna 1945 ja siihen liitettiin osia Uudenmaan ja Kuopion lääneistä." Myös kun katsoo tarkkaan karttakuvaa Läänit 1945 artikkeleissa Kuopion lääni ja Kymen lääni, niin toden totta Uukuniemen kohta näyttäisi olevan Kuopion läänissä verrattuna muihin läänikarttoihin. Lienee niin, että kun Viipurin lääni korvattiin Kymen läänillä 1945, samalla Uukuniemestä tuli osa Kuopion lääniä (samoin kuin Korpiselästä, kunnes liitettiin Tuupovaaraan 1946), kunnes siirrettiin Kymen lääniin yhtä aikaa Uudenmaan läänin viiden kunnan kanssa 1949.
Koska Sinä et ole "vainottu", voinet lisätä edellä mainitut seikat suomenkielisen Wikipedian artikkeleihin Uukuniemi, Kitee, Kuopion lääni ja Kymen lääni.
--212.226.57.186 (talk) 20:24, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Venäjän suomenkieliset paikannimet englanniksi[edit]

Millä perusteella kyrillistä kirjaimistoa käyttävän venäjän kielen translitterointi/romanisointisääntöjä englanniksi sovelletaan Venäjällä sijaitseviin, pelkästään suomenkielisiin paikannimiin, kuten Khelyulya, Yurkhyamyayarvi, Yanisyarvi, Leypyasuo, Pitkyaranta, Suoyarvi, Yaglyayarvi jne? Nimethän ovat jo valmiiksi latinalaisessa kirjoitusmuodossa Helylä, Jyrhämäjärvi, Jänisjärvi, Leipäsuo, Pitkäranta, Suojärvi ja Ägläjärvi. --85.76.188.250 (talk) 09:24, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

En tiedä, mutta saisit varmaan slaagin, jos tietäisit että suomessa on henkilöitä, jotka kirjoittavat virallisen sukunimensä juuri tuolla tavalla. --Urjanhai (talk) 18:21, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Asiaa (siis valmiiksi latinalaisessa kirjoitusasussa olevien nimien muuntamista venäjästä englanniksi eli kyrillisestä takaisin latinalaiseksi) on Village pumpissa kysytty ja myös suoraan käyttäjä Ezhikiltä näköjään useastikin, muihinkin kuin suomenkielisiin nimiin liittyen. Hän kuitenkin pitää mm. edellämainittuja nimiä, kuten Jänisjärveä venäjänkielisenä sekä Karl Liebknechtiä, Luostaria ja Togliattia kuin myös Kalevalaa, Wrangelia jne. --85.76.18.236 (talk) 20:55, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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