User talk:VAmoroso13

February 2023[edit]

Hello, I'm TornadoLGS. I noticed that you made an edit concerning content related to a living (or recently deceased) person on Rochelle Buffenstein, but you didn't support your changes with a citation to a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now. Wikipedia has a very strict policy concerning how we write about living people, so please help us keep such articles accurate and clear. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you! TornadoLGS (talk) 22:05, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The reliable source is her. I am sitting across from Rochelle Buffenstein at the moment and we collaborated on this with me taking the lead.

I do not think it gets much better that that!

Furthermore, significant time was taken to improve upon the lacking and horrifically out-of-date version that you just reverted to. Shelley hasn't worked for Calico or resided in California in over 1.5 years!

Sincerely VAmoroso13 (talk) 22:12, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The sources must be published and verifiable. Sure, you may know her personally, but because of the biographies of living persons policy, we cannot simply take your word for it. TornadoLGS (talk) 22:16, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would contend there are two problems here:

- (1) You allowed a high-schooler to publish the previous page that was sorely out-of-date as it hasn't been updated in over 5 years by anyone with access to her, her life story or history. Why can't I?

- (2) Significant portions were written by Rochelle Buffenstein herself. She isn't an acceptable source on her own life? Are people and their staff unable to update wikipedia pages?

- (3) How do you propose I demonstrate that the person across the table from me did this?

This seems arbitrary and not conducive to getting this scientist and collaborators story factually correct. VAmoroso13 (talk) 22:22, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For instance, this wikipedia page on Barack Obama does not have links to articles or references for his historical knowledge about his history, biography and educational attainment.

Why are you singling me out?

The research was cited to her own primary sourced publications on those topics quite well as I'm sure you can attest to. VAmoroso13 (talk) 22:29, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(1) I don't know where your claim is coming from that a high schooler wrote this, but who edits the article generally doesn't matter. What matters is the article, prior to your edits, has all statments supported by references to sources.

(2) There would have to be a verified published source that the information is coming from her. Though, people generally discourgaed from writing about themselves, because it represents a potential conflict of interest. There is more information at Wikipedia:FAQ/Article subjects if Rochelle Buffenstein is interested in pursuing the matter further.

(3) Again, there would have to be a published source of that information (a news article for instance). If no published, reliable source exists, it cannot be included in the article. There is information, from personal knowledge, that I would like to add to some articles I edit, but I cannot because there is no published source for it. TornadoLGS (talk) 22:38, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Per your second round of comments, the lead section of an article does not contain references; it summarizes information in the rest of the article, which is supported by references (over 500 in the case of the Obama article). I am not singling you out. I happened across your edits while patrolling recent activity. Feel free to add references to those works you mention (see WP:CITE for instructions on that). TornadoLGS (talk) 22:42, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]