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June 2010

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July 2010

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December 2020

Hi there - Wikipedia relies on reliable sources to verify information, especially about living people. You didn't provide a source for your changes to the Owen Windsor article, and I couldn't find one either. If you have a reliable source please let me know and we can change the article. Please let me know if you have any questions. GiantSnowman 08:44, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Transfermarkt is not a reliable source. So what website are you using? GiantSnowman 08:53, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Because it was decided at WP:RSN that it was not. I will update the article based on the WBA page. GiantSnowman 09:00, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

July 2021

Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Goran Pandev, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use your sandbox for that. Thank you. Mattythewhite (talk) 22:55, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

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English Football League discussion

Hi Winston - as you contributed to EFL Championship, you may like to participate in the current discussion on the Talk page, "English Football League – article arrangement and article improvements".

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October 2022

Hi there - Wikipedia relies on reliable sources to verify information, especially about living people. You didn't provide a source for your changes to the Marlon Fossey article, but I have found one and added it for you. Please try and remember to include sources yourself with future edits. Please let me know if you have any questions. GiantSnowman 10:00, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

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July 2024

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you add unsourced or poorly sourced material to Wikipedia, as you did at Cody Drameh. GiantSnowman 17:22, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman By definition of a contract Cody Drameh out of contract automatically if there is no contract is signed (in a retained list doesn't mean there is a formation of contract). Thus the source you provided is not a prove of a contract at all. And Cody Drameh is a Leeds United player only if a new contract is formed. Without a contract he is not a Leeds United player at any means.

Based on the contract rules you still can't say my editing is wrong (as there is not proof that Cody Drameh has a contract with Leeds United). And instead you don't have grounds for protecting your edits (as I mentioned above, a retained list doesn't mean there is a formation of contract). Winston (talk) 17:33, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

No, there is such thing as a 'non-contact player, feel free to Google it... GiantSnowman 17:34, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Sorry I don't understand non-contact player. Could you help me understand?

Also according to Leeds United First Team Player List Cody Drameh is not included in the team. Do you have any evidence showing Cody is registered under Leeds United? Winston (talk) 17:41, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman I think it is very clear that Cody Drameh's contract is expired on 30 Jun 2024. I am not sure what make you think my edit is unsourced or poorly sourced material it is your job to provide evidence that Cody Drameh is still Leeds player. Please correct me if I am wrong. Winston (talk) 17:57, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

You have provided ZERO sources which say he has left. You are making assumptions (WP:OR). GiantSnowman 17:59, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

What do you mean by making assumption? There is no new contract and there is no evidence that there is a new contract. I think it is rather common sense that he is out of contract. Even he is still in Leeds United doesn't make him a registered Leeds United player. So are you saying all the free agent need to provide evidence of leaving in order to say he is not a club player? I am really lost.

Could you kindly provide your source of non-contact player that is registered under english FA? That would be very helpful. Winston (talk) 18:07, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman Based on your argument would you say this edit is invalid as there is ZERO source regarding to Adrien Rabiot leaving Juventus? Are you going to revert his edits? Is the edit making assumptions? Winston (talk) 18:19, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Correct, that is not a good edit - except this source confirms the edit is valid. I have now added the source to the article. GiantSnowman 18:25, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman I think it is clear that Template:Leeds United F.C. squad said Update Source. And based on the source Cody Drameh is not in the first team. So I don't understand why the template should be still placed in the article of Cody Drameh. Could you help me understand? Thanks

Also are you going to add source of Mario Hermoso, Guido Rodríguez, Raphaël Varane, Álex Berenguer and other free agents? Winston (talk) 19:01, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman I think the one who is making an assumption / without a reliable source is the edit that say Cody Drameh is still a Leeds United player. I honestly couldn't assume Cody Drameh is a Leeds United player if there is no valid source regarding to contract agreement between Cody Drameh and Leeds United. Winston (talk) 18:25, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Nope. We assume somebody is alive until there is a source saying they have died; we assume Drameh is a Leeds player until there is a source saying he has left. GiantSnowman 18:27, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman Are you sure your analogy applies to contract? So you are saying that I have a 2 year phone contract with phone company and it is valid to assume that the relationship is forever even there are no new contract. Wow you are amazing. I feel it is lucky that you are an administrator. Winston (talk) 19:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

You can't just keep repeating the word "contract". Find me a reliable source that says Drameh has left Leeds please. GiantSnowman 19:09, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Of coz there is a need to highlight contract because it is a representation of a player playing officially for the club. Without a contract it is not a player. Based on your argument if a club did not release a player and even the player is out of contract, the player is still with the club. Even he is still in Leeds (even he is still training with Leeds United) does it mean that he is the player of Leeds United? I think the answer is crystal clear. Winston (talk) 21:04, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Instead, I don't understand why you say Drameh is still a Leeds United player when he is out of contract. Could you help me understand? Winston (talk) 21:07, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Also based on your argument the edit of Iker Muniain, Álex Berenguer, Raúl García is invalid as there is no reliable source that say these three player leave Athletic Bilbao. And there are more example. Winston (talk) 21:15, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman Winston (talk) 23:19, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman And based on your reliable source theory, I think the Michael Cooper to say that the player is 24 years old is wrong because on the offical page his age is never mentioned. Thus there is no reliable source of the player is 24 year old. Assuming the age of 24 based on his date of birth is not reliable, is unsourced (the club info never mention Michael Cooper is 24 year old).

It is very similar to your argument saying Cody Drameh is still belongs to the club (not a free agent) after the contract expiry is unsourced (the club never say Cody Drameh is leaving). Winston (talk) 03:21, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman There is also ZERO source saying Anthony Gordon leave Liverpool youth team. Could I edit revert all peoples edit saying Anthony Gordon is a Liverpool player because there is ZERO source of him leaving the club? Winston (talk) 03:53, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman When you mention there is non-contact player (I really don't know what is non-contact). Could you provide a reliable source indicating Cody Drameh is non-contact player? You still need a reliable source to support your statement. Winston (talk) 03:41, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

I cannot follow your recent multiple posts above, please explain more clearly. GiantSnowman 08:03, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Players often stay with a club for a short period, even if their contract has expired, see this as an example where a player 're-signs' for the club a few days later... GiantSnowman 08:15, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Anyway, it doesn't matter, I've done your job for you, and found a source which says he is a "free agent". Next time please don't be so lazy. GiantSnowman 08:22, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

It does matter because

1. Free agent after the contract expiry is automatic (just like age). You are asking for proof of age given the birthday is sourced is logically unreasonable. Asking for proof of leaving when contract expiry is under the same logic. The previous contract is sourced so without the source of a new contract the relationship is expired (unless there is a new source, which you never provide. I already explained the retain list is not a proof because it is one way willingless. Also the player leave the club also shows that the retain list [your better source] is not a proof that the player would stay in the club).

2. You add your source www.leeds-live.co.uk and said you find a source. And you mentioned footballleagueworld.co.uk is not a reliable source. Could you help me understand why, based on wikipedia source rule?

3. Even the player "re-sign" for the club a few days later. How do you know that the player stay within the club for a short period? Could you help me understand?

4. For all the unsourced (without official release statement) free agent edits (e.g. Iker Muniain, Álex Berenguer, Raúl García), are you going to revert the edit?

5. You are the admin of wikipedia and I guess you action (including warning people) is accountable. Your action would not only affect the reputation of yourself but also the administrator of wikipedia. Winston (talk) 08:58, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman Even you say player often stay in the club, you still need to provide a reliable source to revert my edit. It seems to me that your edit is unsourced of the player staying in the club. Winston (talk) 08:37, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

3O decline

I've declined your filing at WP:3O as there was no evidence of a dispute at the Talk page for the article you linked to. If the above discussion is the dispute you intended to list, then based on my reading of it your best option would be to provide sources that substantiate the information you wish to include, but I didn't read it in depth. Otherwise, if you feel your information is appropriate for inclusion in the absence of a source, you should start a discussion at the article's Talk page, where other editors with an interest in the article can weigh in. DonIago (talk) 16:17, 6 July 2024 (UTC)