User talk:WiseKitchen

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Speedy deletion nomination of AutoScheme[edit]

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A tag has been placed on AutoScheme requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.

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Proposed deletion of AutoScheme[edit]

The article AutoScheme has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Unreleased software with no indication of notability. (The website for the software is "under construction", and I get a blank page when trying to access the developer.) No other links provided. Obviously too soon for an article.

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Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Peridon (talk) 15:44, 16 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of AutoScheme for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article AutoScheme is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/AutoScheme until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Fiddle Faddle 08:25, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

September 2013[edit]

Hello, WiseKitchen. We welcome your contributions to Wikipedia, but if you are affiliated with some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article AutoScheme, you may have a conflict of interest or close connection to the subject.

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For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have a conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for organizations. Thank you. Fiddle Faddle 08:46, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the advice Tim, despite working for the developer I am doing this without their knowledge or consent, I am currently writing this article because there seems to be none and from what I see and know this is definitely a notable subject, can you help me in requesting an independent article about this? WiseKitchen (talk) 08:55, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest most strongly that you stand back from the article and let it take its chance. The issue with your connection is that, while you may know it is notable, the rest of the world seems to have no idea that it is. And Wikipedia may not be used to create that notability, it may only report and record what others state. At present the software, wholly unreleased, has PR material going back to Jan and Feb 2013 saying it is 'coming soon', and a web site that is patently useless. So the software cannot be notable because it doesn't exist yet.

When it exists it may sell like hot cakes or may sink without trace. On a personal basis for your job I hope it sells, but it is far too soon for an article on it. Fiddle Faddle 09:18, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Tim, I have just found out that the website is being 'redone' and I have seen this material, rather than attempting to create the notability that you speak of I am attempting to create a basic record of existence outwith the published PR material which I may add to later. As I have previously said, the developer has no idea that I am doing this and I wish to keep it that way, is there any way to be inkeeping with wikipedia policy and keep this article? Edit: I also have no interest in promoting this sotware as there is already sufficient PR work being done by other people. WiseKitchen (talk) 09:24, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The only way the article will be kept is if the article itself asserts the genuine notability of the software and verifies that notability in reliable sources. That's neither good nor bad, it;s the bar the topic has to leap over in order to warrant an article here.

Press release material will not do the trick. Press releases simply show that various news organs short on stories have picked up the PR material form the PR team. So you are looking for real reviews in well respected publications that explain the notability of the product. It isn't sufficient just to prove that something exists, either. If you search for me online you will see that I exist. I am not, however, notable, despite having been an expert in my field when I worked in that field, so a Wikipedia article on me would be thrown out in an instant.

Since you wish to keep the developer unaware of your involvement I suggest that you simply wait for the software to gain notability. In any case I suggest again that you stand well clear of this article. Enjoy playing in the WIkipedia pond, be unconcerned that this article will be deleted (0.9 probability), and be happy when someone else creates it after the software becomes notable. Of course, if you can find the verified notability Wikipedia requires, do add that to the article. Anything else, though, is rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. Fiddle Faddle 09:43, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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