User talk:Yonisyuumei/16 Sep 2007 - 15 Feb 2008

Yahoo Widgets and the BSD license

On what basis do you claim that the Yahoo widgets are BSD licensed? I can find no mention of that license anywhere on the Yahoo widget site. Unless you can provide a reliable source for that claim we must consider those screenshots to be non-free. --Sherool (talk) 09:49, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

See below for text taken from the app's EULA. Yonisyuumei 00:55, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

c.  YOU MAY redistribute and use all openly accessible programming code contained within the Widgets (specifically excluding any images, sounds and their respective programming code) with or without modification, pursuant to the BSD copyright license , which is set forth as follows: 
 Copyright (c) 2006 Yahoo! Inc.  All rights reserved.  Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions are met:
 (i)	redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright notice, this list of conditions, and the following disclaimer.
 (ii)	redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution.
 (iii)	neither the name of Yahoo! nor the names of its contributors may be used to endorse or promote products derived from the Widgets without specific prior written permission of Yahoo!.
 DISCLAIMER TO BE INCLUDED: THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE COPYRIGHT HOLDERS AND CONTRIBUTORS "AS IS" AND ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE ARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE COPYRIGHT OWNER OR CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE.

d.  Except as otherwise explicitly stated in Section 1(c) above with respect to Widgets, YOU MAY NOT: 
 (i)	decompile, reverse engineer, disassemble, modify, rent, lease, loan, distribute, or create derivative works (as defined by the U.S. Copyright Act) or improvements (as defined by U.S. patent law) from the Software or any portion thereof. 
 (ii)	incorporate the Software into any computer chip or the firmware of any computing device. 
 (iii)	Use the Software in any unlawful manner, for any unlawful purpose, or in any manner inconsistent with the Terms of Service located at http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/  (the "TOS") or this License Agreement.
 (iv)	Use the Software to operate nuclear facilities, life support, or other mission critical application where human life or property may be at stake. You understand that the Software is not designed for such purposes and that its failure in such cases could lead to death, personal injury, or severe property or environmental damage for which Yahoo! is not responsible. 
 (v)	use or export the Software in violation of applicable U.S. laws or regulations.      
 (vi)	sell, lease, loan, distribute, transfer, or sublicense the Software or access thereto or derive income from the use or provision of the Software, whether for direct commercial or monetary gain or otherwise, without Yahoo!'s prior, express, written permission.

Well it may be a "BSD style" license, but it's not the BSD license. If you look at section d sections (i) and (vi) of the Yahoo license you'll see that the modifications they have done are quite fundamental, where the "original" BSD license allow modifications and commercial use the Yahool widget license explicitly forbid those things. So the terms of the Yahoo license is descidedly non-free per Wikipedia's standards, even if they borrowed a large chunk of text from the free BSD license. --Sherool (talk) 07:02, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

There are two completely different licenses at play here. One is for the Widgets themselves, which are covered under section C, as their code is completely open and accessible to anyone. The engine which runs the Widgets is covered under section D, since it is not open source (see mentions of reverse engineering, etc., which would not be applicable to an open-source app). Yonisyuumei 19:41, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

If there are additional concerns, what I will do is get in touch with Yahoo! Legal and request written permission to display these screenshots on the page. This should not be a difficult task as I am employed at Yahoo! (verifiable by a reverse DNS lookup on my current IP) and I actually work on the Widgets team as a designer. Yonisyuumei 19:54, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Possibly unfree Image:Yahoo!_Widgets_-_Picture_Frame.png

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Possibly unfree Image:Yahoo!_Widgets_-_Flickr_Frame.png

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Regarding the PUI listings:

Sorry I could have been more clear on that. You basicaly have two options, you can say that you release those versions of the photos under a suitable free license (GFDL, cc-by-sa, "no rights reserved" etc.) and add the apropriate tag for it in addition to the license for the app itself. Alternatively find a different photo that is already free licensed (or better yet, publid domain) to display in the widget and take a new screenshot of the widget displaying that image (along with a suitable tag/expalantion of the license (or lack of copyright) for the photo). --Sherool (talk) 07:34, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

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Copied to Wikimedia Commons

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