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:Jay8g [V•T•E] 08:18, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Happy editing! :Jay8g [V•T•E] 08:21, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Someone just tossed away the edit. From "against alleged genocide in Gaza" to "against war in Gaza". I imagine it's clear he didn't protest against a war, but against what many of us regard as genocide, even by international law conventions. Could you please check the case out? It could make justice to any people who do that. ZeanIkLaurie (talk) 04:58, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also want to recognize that at least the context was filled in, so it's not as empty. But no one is going to engage just on behalf of Hamas. It's about stopping a genocide against Palestinian population. Maybe a better link attached could be the one with the allegations instead of one describing military exchanges with Hamas. ZeanIkLaurie (talk) 05:04, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Israel_in_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war. That might be better than the other two in case the only instances happen in the US ZeanIkLaurie (talk) 05:44, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please read the notices above. Your edits were reverted solely (as far as I can tell) because new editors are not allowed to edit in this topic area, and further edits will likely be reverted for the same reason. Personally, I am not willing to get involved with edits in this topic area either. Per the directions above, I would suggest making an edit request on the article's talk page if you would like to further discuss changes. :Jay8g [V•T•E] 06:45, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Got it. I'm not new, but I haven't gathered the 500 edits. I'll try to work on them before attempting this again. Thanks ZeanIkLaurie (talk) 07:02, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you continue to violate WP:ECR you will be blocked from editing. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 09:25, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is your final warning, do not violate ECR as you did here. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:27, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That can't be a final warning. It's the first of it's kind. I believe you might be making a bad use of your privileges to censor info about the Gaza genocide. Why am I forbidden to get involved in a *talk* discussion. You made a survey for editors and I replied. How was I breaking ECR rules if that's not the article itself? ZeanIkLaurie (talk) 05:12, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Just commenting back to correct myself, while still expecting a reply to the question I asked today, in any case the first of it's kind was the edit on an article on February) ZeanIkLaurie (talk) 05:50, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If I make more edits, then I have a right to edit on this topic to preserve the users contributions for the topic of the Gaza genocide? Because I d don't mind contributing further to Wikipedia. And also, how can one make sure one is respecting the rules? Because I've seen multiple people with privileges threaten other users for disagreeing on burying the topic, possibly most in bad faith, as we currently watch a genocide happen. ZeanIkLaurie (talk) 05:16, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FYI

For future reference should you become extended confirmed, regarding "we should try to analyze the info ourselves", that would violate the WP:OR policy. Sean.hoyland (talk) 09:30, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see. Is there any other line that might contain anything problematic? Is it okay to re add it after editing and subtracting that? And what other policies do you recommend to be aware of? ZeanIkLaurie (talk) 05:27, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For articles within the Arab-Israeli conflict topic area, you are limited to posting edit requests until you are extended confirmed, so re-adding it is not an option. The thing to remember about Wikipedia is that the content is built by summarizing content from reliable sources and presenting it is a balanced way...in theory. The personal views of editors shouldn't matter. It's worth reading Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel_articles_4#Remedies and Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#not_a_forum. Sean.hoyland (talk) 06:58, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for the clarification. And thanks for the recommendations too. They're deeply appreciated.

So if I contributed to the 500 articles on this account too would I be able to comment on the talk sections about this field? What might be upsetting to many at times is that the reports people are trying to add are very numerous and some are just dismissing them and taking them down. There's many books, reports and news on this from what we agree for everything else as reliable. People who argue about removing info on Gaza or adding unrelated stuff to the articles usually provide arguments with an opposite quality. It's like saying we should remove everything on music theory because one guy online founded a cult and is saying all the classical music is twice as fast as it's intended and giving same exposure as the fully documented theory that has been built. And on this case it's tough to see tens of thousands die and we can't even acknowledge them here, in a project that I believe seems to have the premise of making information accessible. ZeanIkLaurie (talk) 09:22, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]