User talk:Zerogravity11

September 2012

Hello, I'm Epicurus B.. I noticed that you recently removed some content from Darren Aronofsky without explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an edit summary. The removed content has been restored. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Epicurus B. ^{(Not my talk page)} 07:19, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Two different editors have reverted your changes and a third has given you a warning, above. It's clear you are the same editor as anon IP 96.239.107.168. You cannot continue to remove material cited to reliable-source citations, in some cases to quotes by the subject himself. You have made three such reverts from Oct. 6 to now. Note that an admin can still block disruptive, non-communicative editors even if you have not technically violated WP:3RR. You are not allowed to disrupt an article in the way you are doing. --Tenebrae (talk) 05:12, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

This is your final warning. For a second time, I have copy-pasted what the cited article ACTUALLY says: "Yet the young Aronofsky was also persuaded, while visiting Israel, to spend some time in an Orthodox yeshiva (Jewish school)." At this point, with two warnings and the actual text of the cited source in front of you, if you continue to change "spend some time" to "spent two days" — without citing ANY evidence whatsoever — this will be considered both edit-warring and vandalism, and I will ask an admin to block you and seek any other appropriate methods. These can include an admin noticeaboard investigation (ANI) to discuss whether this continuing pattern of uncited claims and disruptive reverts may result to an overall ban from Wikipedia. You certainly don't appear to be editing constructively or in the larger sense, and seem to be no more than a single-purpose account. You are not the type of editor Wikipedia finds helpful, but simply disruptive.--Tenebrae (talk) 20:08, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Epicurus B. & Tenebrae - you both are misconstruing my efforts. Note that Darren Aronofsky himself says that his parents were public school teachers at Bushwick HS and PS 206: https://twitter.com/DarrenAronofsky/status/259350196750778368 - where are you reading that they were "conservative jewish teachers"? In this same post he says that Wikipedia is advancing misconceptions about the time spent in the Yeshiva. Can I site these in the changes? What more evidence is needed?

Finally: I'm glad you've chosen to engage in discussion. I wish you had done so after reading the edit summary at 18:56, 8 October 2012‎, which reads, "No, here's what the article ACTUALLY says: "Yet the young Aronofsky was also persuaded, while visiting Israel, to spend some time in an Orthodox yeshiva (Jewish school)". For the third or fourth time, here is the link: http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/features/blood-sweat-and-murder-at-the-ballet-the-endless-torture-of-darren-aronofsky-2176828.html. Once again, here is what The Independent says:

His parents practised conservative Judaism, but, says Aronofsky, "I was raised culturally Jewish, but there was very little spiritual attendance in temple. It was a cultural thing – celebrating the holidays, knowing where you came from, knowing your history, having respect for what your people have been through." Yet the young Aronofsky was also persuaded, while visiting Israel, to spend some time in an Orthodox yeshiva (Jewish school); the experience fuelled Pi, with its references to kabbalah and numerological extrapolations of the Hebrew alphabet.

For the third or fourth time, it is not Wikipedia saying this: It is what Aronofsky told Jonathan Romney of the respected British newspaper The Independent for an article that ran Sunday, January 9, 2011. And I don't see any correction appended to it. If Darren Aronofsky thinks The Independent is simply making up facts about his life, then his issue with The Independent, he should take that up with The Independent.

As for his parents' names and their being teachers, page 2 of the cited New York magazine article, http://nymag.com/movies/features/24368/index1.html, says, "A child of schoolteachers, Aronofsky’s an affable Everyguy of the type TV ads use to sell you a bigger TV. Charlotte and Abraham Aronofsky still live in Manhattan Beach...."

If reliable, third-party sources specify what schools he attended, fine, add them. There are even narrow exceptions that allow Twitter posts by a subject to be used in an article about the subject himself/herself, subject to policies listed here. Bu keep in mind: No subject has veto power over what properly sourced material goes into an article. Subjects can say anything they want about themselves, but that doesn't necessarily make it true. If that were the case, Wikipedia biographies would be nothing but official press releases.

if you had ever engaged in good-faith dialog like this before, instead of reverting noncommunicatively and disrupting Wikipedia, you would have learned all this much sooner. I would advise that you read Wikipedia's core policy on Biographies of Living People before continuing, and to speak with other editors about your concerns. I'm glad you're doing so now. --Tenebrae (talk) 23:37, 19 October 2012 (UTC)