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Colleˊ Kharis

Colleˊ Kharis (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Semi-advertorialized WP:BLP of a musician and filmmaker, not properly sourced as passing inclusion criteria for either musicians or filmmakers. The attempted notability claim here is minor film and music awards that aren't prominent enough to clinch an instant notability pass in the absence of solidly reliable sourcing, but the article is referenced almost entirely to primary sources rather than reliable ones -- YouTube, Q&A interviews in which he's talking about himself in the first person, music metaverifying its own existence on Spotify or Apple Music, marketing content self-published by his own record label, his own social media accounts, etc. -- and the very few marginally (but not solidly) reliable sources are not enough to get him over WP:GNG all by themselves if the sourcing is 95 per cent garbage otherwise.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to have much, much better references than this. Bearcat (talk) 15:39, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete- Fails WP:NARTIST. A search for additional references yielded no results. A review of the 58 citations for the article show:
  • 6 are duplicate entries
  • 8 are to WP:IMDB or non-review mentions on Rotten Tomatoes
  • 15 are WP:PRIMARY links to their work on Spotify, Apple music, Boomplay, Distrokid or Youtube
  • 6 are self-published by the subject[1][2][3][4][5][6]
  • 6 are self-published and make no mention of the subject[7][8][9][10][11][12]
  • 6 are primary sources/press releases lacking WP:SIGCOV.[13][14][15][16][17][18]
    
    That leaves:
  • 2 podcast appearances ([19][20]) which are WP:PRIMARY and arguably fail WP:RS
  • 1 primary and (likely self-authored) biography[21]
  • 1 interview that seems to be with a local publication where subjects can self-nominate[22]
  • 4 references that meet WP:SIGCOV and WP:SECONDARY, but may not meet WP:RS[23][24][25][26]

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Perati Bridge attack

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No evidence of notability. An attack on a border post as part of a broader invasion is hardly notable, unless something extraordinary happened here or it received coverage for other reasons, which is not in evidence. The battle itself is covered in one sentence. Constantine ✍ 18:54, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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Wasta Faruq Kanarwey

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BLP of a Kurdish veteran, largely unsourced, lacking any clear indication of notability and based on related sources. Kurdish speakers may be able to find better sources. Mccapra (talk) 18:22, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment: Added more lists in hopes of reaching some Kurdish speakers, but the existing sources in the article appear to be dependent hence do not contribute to notability. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 22:40, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Battle of Sebiba

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Battle of Sebiba (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:GNG and poorly sourced. The article was deleted last week and recreated by the same editor with some minor cosmetic changes (image in the infobox). M.Bitton (talk) 14:44, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

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Operation Martyr Helmet Dêraluk

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This article describes what was likely a minor skirmish and says of it “There is no independent confirmation from reliable sources.” Which means we should not have an article on it. Mccapra (talk) 03:55, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete only mentions I could find are in the references and this [27] (Syrian state media - not a WP:RS). All the references say "HPG claims" or "Kurdish forces announce" - none of the information is confirmed (one article just quotes the press statement, other paraphrases), it's all WP:PRIMARY and clearly the press statement cannot be reliable or considered to be from a WP:NPOV. Per WP:PRSOURCE "Press releases cannot be used to support claims of notability and should be used cautiously for other assertions" so it's a delete from me. MolecularPilot 05:24, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
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Battle of Vrdi

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This article was sourced to a combination of blogs, local news portals with no editorial oversight, and used inflammatory descriptions of the enemy while referring to HVO troops as "heroes". None of them are reliable, so I have deleted them. Without reliable sources, there is no way this article, supposedly about some fighting to defend/capture a village, meets the notability criteria. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:30, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete as per nom. --Griboski (talk) 01:27, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
• Delete in agreement with nomination points about the article’s issues. OyMosby (talk) 21:58, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

List of wars involving North Korea

List of wars involving North Korea (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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I absolutely think that a page about wars involving Korea should exist. However, I don't believe a separate page is necessary. All wars involving pre-1945 Korea as well as North and South Korea are already included on List of wars involving Korea. I believe that is sufficient. This also has precedent e.g. East and West Germany don't have separate pages for their wars, and neither do North and South Vietnam or North and South Yemen.

I also find it a bit odd to include wars involving historical states on the territory of current-day North Korea here, as North Korea isn't a direct successor those states - both North and South Korea succeed the Korean Empire and Korea as a territory under Japanese occupation. When excluding those pre-modern wars, the list shrinks down quite a lot, making this page an unnecessary fork. Cortador (talk) 14:57, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Adding to this: depending on the outcome of this AfD, I'll nominate List of wars involving South Korea as well. However, this the arguments for and against that will pretty much be the same as the ones here, I didn't want to split the debate, and just nominated this page for now. Cortador (talk) 14:58, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

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North Korea is still a country, however. I propose that we kept this article strictly North Korea (and the South Korea one, strictly South Korea). For the Korea one, we can skip the duplicates and instead link to these separate articles. If Korea is ever reunified, I suppose we could consider a merge, but that's for another day :) Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 02:19, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep (but remove general korea stuff pre-1948 and add a This article is about post-1948 wars fought by North Korea. For wars fought by pre-1948 Korea, see List of wars involving Korea at the top). East/west Germany were not involved in many (any?) conflicts outside of Germany as themselves so a list would be silly but North/South Korea division has persisted to this day and NK has been involved in several significant conflicts as the list shows (also I believe Russia-Ukraine - that should probably be added but I'll leave it to someone more experienced with military articles as I don't think they've technically confirmed it). MolecularPilot 06:51, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

2024 Afghanistan–Pakistan skirmishes

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2024 Afghanistan–Pakistan skirmishes (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Delete or merge whatever else content on this page to Afghanistan–Pakistan border skirmishes. Per below and WP:REDUNDANTFORK.

This is just an un-needed fork for a page we already have. Not only that, but this page has heavy content from other groups such as the BLA, or TTP, which are scopes completely irrelevant to this topic alone. This page is named "2024 Afghanistan-Pakistan Skirmishes", but also only covers the March 2024 border Skirmishes, when there has also been skirmishes last month in September, which is included in the Afghanistan–Pakistan border skirmishes page. Noorullah (talk) 23:23, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

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@Noorullah21, there has already been a concenus on this article that it should remain Waleed (talk) 02:19, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

@M Waleed Firstly, there was sockpuppets involved in the original AFD, go back to it to see blocked accounts. Secondly, I never brought up WP:REDUNDANTFORK. Noorullah (talk) 03:23, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Delete according to WP:REDUNDANTFORK. As mentioned, the incidents listed here are already mentioned in the Afghanistan-Pakistan border skirmishes page. There haven't been any incidents this year that are themselves more notable than incidents any other year to warrant this being its own article independent of the main article on this topic. And, yeah, looking at the previous AfD discussion, there seems to have been at least a little bit of sockpuppetry going on? One of the main arguments that was made in favour of keeping the article was that it contains proper sources, which is true, but those sources would be no less proper in the main article. There's no reason for this article to exist, and there's no reason to merge because, as already pointed out, the information here is already in the main article. Archimedes157 (talk) 14:58, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

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Oppose - It is in my Eyes a good Article and should therefore not be deleted! Austria Football 02 (talk) 10:44, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

"It is in my Eyes a good Article and should therefore not be deleted!" is directly against AFD policy, just because you think in your eyes it is a good article does not mean it is worthy of being kept. It is directly against Wikipedia Policy per Redundantfork. See WP:AADD, and more specifically; WP:ILIKEIT. Noorullah (talk) 22:34, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

• Merge with Afghanistan–Pakistan border skirmishes: I think that non duplicate content should to merged back into the main article. REDUNDANTFORK does apply. Wikibear47 (talk) 08:15, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

List of World War II weapons of Turkey

List of World War II weapons of Turkey (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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As Turkey hardly participated in WW2 I don’t think this is notable Chidgk1 (talk) 16:55, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

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I will note that OP has not actually made a policy based argument for deletion, that doesn't however mean that they are wrong. I have not been able to locate any independent significant coverage of the topic and there is none on the page, so unless I'm missing something it doesn't meet the requirements of a stand alone list. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:17, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

I agree that the nom's statement does not contain policy-based rationale for deletion, but nevertheless the article might not maintain WP:GNG. I did find this [28], but I'm not too sure if it's reliable or not. Conyo14 (talk) 19:46, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

• Keep World_War_II_by_country#Turkey says "There is no record that Turkish troops ever saw combat." But they did technically join the war near the end. Category:World War II military equipment by country would be incomplete without listing every nation involved in World War 2. The articles list what military equipment they had, not what they used. Dream Focus 15:21, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

  I mean, couldn't the category of Turkey in that link still exist without this particular article? I mean I've only found the one source, but it would be nice to incorporate more. Conyo14 (talk) 15:57, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

• Keep and improve per above. Deletion is not needed. Orientls (talk) 06:35, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

  I doubt that anyone interested in Turkish military history will improve this article as I guess such editors would be more likely to create List of World War I weapons of Turkey Chidgk1 (talk) 10:54, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

• Redirect to for instance Turkish Armed Forces#World War II. No compelling reason that it should exist. Geschichte (talk) 06:44, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

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World Defense Show

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Renominating the article because it has been restored to its original state (after minimal participation in the previous AfD) and has not been modified since the date of its refund (22 September 2024). This circumstance provides ample reason to initiate the deletion of the article once again, using the same argument from the first deletion discussion - "The exhibition fails to meet WP:EVENT. Lacks WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE and WP:DIVERSE. Arguably WP:TOOSOON." TC-BT-1C-SI (talk) 07:45, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep: Passes per WP:DIVERSE which states Significant national or international coverage is usually expected for an event to be notable. Wide-ranging reporting tends to show significance, but sources that simply mirror or tend to follow other sources, or are under common control with other sources, are usually discounted. I'm attaching some sources which gives significant national and international coverage for the event. [29], [30] (coverage from an Indian reliable source), [31] and many more. The nominator has not any proper WP:Before. A simple Google search as World Defence show is turning up many reliable sources giving significant overage. 111.92.113.32 (talk) 14:17, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

  Analyzing the attached sources - [1] - EDR Magazine is not an RS, [2]- Firstpost is not a RS: Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 424#Unreliable sources? FirstPost /TimeNow, [3] - Alarabiya is also not a RS: Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 98#Alarabiya, reliable or not?. As a nominator, I have done required WP:BEFORE and also conducted the simple google search and the google news search as suggested by the IP. However, these efforts did not yield any reliable sources with significant coverage. TC-BT-1C-SI (talk) 09:21, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

  A similar group of IPs, starting with the range 111.92.xx.xx, has been involved in editing another page about a military equipment manufacturing company from the Middle East. It wouldn't be surprising if they were all connected. TC-BT-1C-SI (talk) 09:27, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

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120 Bahadur

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Film is scheduled to be released a year from now and just started filming. Majority of sources are announcements or press releases. CNMall41 (talk) 02:04, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

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Keep my vote is for keep, kindly understand that there are many Hollywood and Bollywood movies that are upcoming in 2025 some are more than a year away yet many already have established wiki pages on them such The Accountant 2, F1, Now You See Me 3, Jurassic World Rebirth, Jolly LLB 3, and more the list is endless. The information current available on the film 120 Bahadur is good enough to create a wiki page and as time progress and more info is available the wiki page will definitely grow with time. Moreover it is a film about a historically significant event. So the wiki page deserve a place with other films that are up for release in 2025. Bonadart (talk) 05:18, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Your argument seems to fall under WP:OSE which is not something that can be used to support notability. Can you point out which references are specifically significant coverage that would count towards notability? The ones I see do not but will look at any you provide in case there is something I missed. --CNMall41 (talk) 22:04, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

i am in no mood to argue, my contention is if The Accountant 2, Now You See Me 3, Jurassic World Rebirth, Jolly LLB 3 which are pure fiction can have well established wiki page, then 120 Bahadur which is based on real life and a immensely historical and significant event if you may think of, also deserves a place, and if you want to talk of capturing space in that case i think this page doesnt even grab a space more than tip of safety pin out of whole wiki sphere. Bonadart (talk) 04:54, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

"I am in no mood to argue" - This is a discussion, not an argument. It does sound like maybe you should back away if you are not in the mindspace to discuss. I will reiterate that everything you stated, including in the reply above, would fall under WP:OSE.--CNMall41 (talk) 04:59, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

• Could be draftified, or redirected, but please don't delete.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:41, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

If you look at the history it previously was. Creator objected to the draft and moved it back to mainspace. --CNMall41 (talk) 22:03, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

I see from page history that the page was moved to draft but it was moved back to mainspace but I am giving benefit of doubt that Bonadart will accept the consensus by the closer, if it ends with draftify and not move it back to mainspace till the film gets significant coverage likely after post-production. RangersRus (talk) 23:00, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Draftify. WP:TOOSOON. Sources are announcements and unveiling of the look and is in pre-production with cast and crew not confirmed yet. No significant coverage. RangersRus (talk) 13:22, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

  TOOSOON - then what will say or opine about The Accountant 2, F1, Now You See Me 3, Jurassic World Rebirth, Jolly LLB 3, and more; all these films are 6 months to 1 year away yet they have established wiki pages. most of the crew of the film 120 bahadur are already on board as for cast the film is centered around Shaitan Singh Bhati who is played by Farhan Akhtar which is decided, as for others the cast hasnt been declared but may be revealed pretty soon, as for shooting it has already started as declared. So in all sense and purpose much of the info in wiki page is valid, and so deserves to be in live space. Bonadart (talk) 16:21, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

  You should not bring other pages to discussion on this AFD. Draftify is because the film is too early with no significant coverage and has not made it to post-production. RangersRus (talk) 22:54, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. Even this article is covered by the press release, like most articles that are edited by the creator of this article. There is a risk that it may be a COI (I will investigate the case and come back with details).--Dmitry Bobriakov (talk) 21:11, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

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thanks for keeping the discussion alive

my 3 points

1. with all due respect ' if the content creator is going to immediately move it back to main space ' is bit harsh, please understand it takes time and effort to create a page, lot more to develop it. i have no issue if a article is deleted or kept in draft but it should always be done after thorough discussion, once consensus is reached why will any one have any problem, certainly not me.

2. regarding this page as I said earlier, agreed that this film is about a year away but so are movies like The Accountant 2, Now You See Me 3, Jurassic World Rebirth, Jolly LLB 3 but all these films have well established pages already, my point is these films are based on fiction where as this film '120 Bahadur' is based on reality and facts, so it deserves a space.

3. as for sources anyone include better sources if anyone can find.

thanks

Bonadart (talk) 08:15, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

• Comment - Hey, Liz, maybe Excel Entertainment would be a good redirect target. However, regardless of the delete or redirect I would recommend protecting the title due to what you say about someone who is likely going to just remove it and recreate the article. --CNMall41 (talk) 04:00, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Draftify. We can always simply protect the page in mainspace or require that the draft pass AfC. -- asilvering (talk) 05:06, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

I think there would be complaints for a "requirement" that an editor make use of AFC unless a) there are COI issues or b) the draft is of an article that was deleted through an AFD. There are a lot of experienced editors who view AFC as completely optional. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:21, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

• Draftify or Redirect to Excel Entertainment#Upcoming Projects. I believe a redirect will make more sense until more information is provided about the film. Plus, no information about the cast is provided in the article. TNM101 (chat) 11:24, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

232d Medical Battalion

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Unsourced article that got moved back from draftspace. A WP:BEFORE search got mostly press releases. A subject specific notability guideline doesn't exist for military units/formations, and the article seems to not fulfill our general notability guidelines. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 13:46, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep. We generally keep articles on battalion-sized units per WP:MILUNIT. But move to 232nd Medical Battalion per norm. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:56, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
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Error message comes up on this AFD, as well "Do not use {{Draft article}} in mainspace". — Maile (talk) 21:26, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, — Maile ,

I don't see any problems with this AFD or the article and I don't know what draft article you are referring to. I've put "nowiki" tags around this template because it is interfering with discussion here. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:40, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Well, I just got that message again by trying to add. See first sentence of this nomination, "Unsourced article that got moved back from draftspace." But if no one else gets that, maybe I'll just avoid this article. — Maile (talk) 23:51, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

@Maile66 Hate to say this, but I'm not seeing any error messages, either. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 00:30, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Delete. All the sourcing on the subject is the unit talking about itself. That is neither secondary nor independent. MILUNIT is not a notability guideline and so per WP:N has zero sway here. JoelleJay (talk) 01:29, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

• Keep: I have expanded it a bit and added some sources as part of #NOV24 backlog drive. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 17:45, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment - the added refs mentioned above do not appear to be independent. So I'm not sure those really count towards notability. I agree with the above that military units often are notable, but I'm not sure we can really !keep unless there is independent coverage in RS. JMWt (talk) 09:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Battle of Khatu Shyamji

Battle of Khatu Shyamji (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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The article is not fulfilling WP:GNG. It is based on single source and also a very insignificant event with not much content to write has been converted into an article.It should be deleted and content, if any found relevant should be merged into something related to List of battles in Rajasthan.Admantine123 (talk) 01:00, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Merge - should be merged to article such as List of battles in Rajasthan as said above by the nominator because it is not such notable battle in Rajasthan to have an standalone page. TheSlumPanda (talk) 13:12, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Mughal–Rajput wars

Mughal–Rajput wars (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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This article is a poor WP:CONTENTFORK (WP:REDUNDANTFORK) from several articles like Rajput Rebellion (1708–1710), Rathore rebellion (1679–1707) and List of battles in Rajasthan. The individual topic like Battle of Khanwa has been stitched together to create an article suggesting that something like Mugal Rajput wars were a single homogeneous event spread over the different period of time. The individual topics are isolated events and a duplication from the List of battles in Rajasthan. So it should be deleted and content if anything that is here but not in List of battles in Rajasthan should be merged to latter. Admantine123 (talk) 01:08, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete like so many Maratha/Mughal articles recently, a hopeless mix of WP:SYNTH, exaggerations, and misrepresentations. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:49, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

This is about Mughals and Rajputs not Marathas! Dilbaggg (talk) 08:51, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete - there is no need to keep this sock magnet as the material is already covered. A hard delete is needed. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:11, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Keep - The Mughals and Marathas have been at war between 1526-1779, this article lists a collection of WP:RS battles and also the cronological events. Every history and major source agress there was a long lasting war between Mughals and Rajputs, there is no denying it. I don't see a reason this WP:Notable historic article has been nominated for deletion! Dilbaggg (talk) 08:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Keep – Existence of this article is an improvement and provides for easier viewing for interested people. The article title is phrased plurally; Mughal–Rajput wars. Not being a made up single conflict. Deleting this article is an inappropriate course of action for the problem. RevolutionaryPatriot (talk) 11:20, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

• Keep-There were surely wars between Rajputs and Mughals and this article summarizes that but what is wrong in this is its tone and possible same content from other articles. All it needs is an improvement of in depth details about topic and a good tone. Rawn3012 (talk) 14:11, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete: per nom. Jannatulbaqi (talk) 13:47, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

  @JannatulbaqiJannatulbaqi any specific reason as you have not written anything exept delete. Rawn3012 (talk) 17:04, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

  Hey @Rawn3012, As I have clearly stated, I agree with the argument made by the nominator. Thanks Jannatulbaqi (talk) 17:13, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Battle of Dewair (1606)

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This article is a WP: REDUNDANTFORK from Mughal conquest of Mewar. There was no need to create this standalone article as the content is already present in the other article. Hence it should be deleted. Admantine123 (talk) 01:23, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Merge to Mughal conquest of Mewar per nom. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:48, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

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Keep - Mughal Conquest of Mewar was a series of millitary campaigns whereas Battle of Dewair is a single battle. I don't see any reason to merge it with the latter. WP: REDUNDANTFORK applies for the same topic with different name. However, In this case the battle is a part of strings of event(Mughal Conquest of Mewar) through which Mewar concluded a treaty. Hence neither it should be deleted nor it should be merged. Rawn3012 (talk) 05:26, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep: I agree with Rawn3012. WP:REDUNDANTFORK states that's it is bad to have "two articles about the exact same thing" - but these are not the same thing, it's a battle within the larger conquest therefore the only thing that matter is if the battle itself is notable. Searches for name (Hindi: दिवेर का युद्ध) return a lot of results especially in Indian media, i.e. Dainik Bhaskar (4th in the world by circulation) made an article specifically about it interviewing academics [32] and there's a lot more as well meeting WP:SIGCOV. MolecularPilot 09:07, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

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