Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Émile Lemoine/archive1

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The article was not promoted 19:02, 9 April 2008.

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Émile Lemoine

Originally this was up for WikiProject A-class, but to paraphrase Giano, if it's good enough for that (well, he was talking about something else, but...), it's good enough to come here, and I'll get more feedback even if it doesn't pass. Nousernamesleft^{copper, not wood} 01:00, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Comments

Issues resolved, Ealdgyth - Talk 20:40, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

• A few web sites listed in the notes are lacking publisher and/or last access dates.
  • I hear that the {{done}} template irritates people at FAC... so, done. Nousernamesleft^{copper, not wood} 22:57, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
• Is the Disseminate (http://projecteuclid.org/DPubS?verb=Display&version=1.0&service=UI&handle=euclid.bams/1183417334&page=record) note a journal article? If so, it should probably be referenced as that
  • Done Nousernamesleft^{copper, not wood} 22:57, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
• What makes http://pballew.net/ a reliable source?
  • I found a reliable one. Nousernamesleft^{copper, not wood} 22:57, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
• You've mixed using the Template:Citation with the templates that start with Cite such as Template:Cite journal or Template:Cite news. They shouldn't be mixed per WP:CITE#Citation templates
  • Converted. Nousernamesleft^{copper, not wood} 22:57, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Link tool shows all other links check out fine. Ealdgyth - Talk 02:30, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

• (a new one) Publisher for the Dictionary of Scientific Biography? Ealdgyth - Talk 20:40, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Done Nousernamesleft^{copper, not wood} 21:29, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

(Tony's comments start here)

• Rather short; is it comprehensive, as required? And the prose needs a spruce up, preferably by someone else.
  • I double checked against three of my sourced and it contains all the information fit for an encyclopedia in them.
• "During this period of time, he published an article in the local journal Nouvellee Annales de Mathkmatiques discussing properties of the triangle." Remove "of time". *I presume the "k" is not a typo; commas either side of the title, then "which discussed the properties ...".
  • Changed. Nousernamesleft^{copper, not wood} 22:57, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
• Comma after "tutor".
  • Done Nousernamesleft^{copper, not wood} 00:07, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
• "In 1870, a laryngeal disease forced him to discontinue his teaching. Instead, he turned to publishing his mathematical research. He also participated and founded several mathematical societies and journals, such as ..."—the disease seems to be the theme of this paragraph, but that sits awkwardly with the subsequent ideas.
  • The theme of a paragraph is his turning to mathematical research, actually. Do you have an idea for a better topic sentence? Nousernamesleft^{copper, not wood} 22:57, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
• "best-known" is hyphenated further down; why not at the top?
  • Changed. Nousernamesleft^{copper, not wood} 22:57, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
• "results within the paper"—just "in".
  • Done Nousernamesleft^{copper, not wood} 22:57, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

And more ... TONY (talk) 11:00, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

comment "see also" in alphabetical order? Jimfbleak (talk) 18:13, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Done Nousernamesleft^{copper, not wood} 22:57, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

• What about my "And more"? TONY (talk) 12:48, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

  I gave it a quick copyedit. I'll request a friend of mine to copyedit it too. Nousernamesleft^{copper, not wood} 01:56, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

  Thanks to Epr and WBOSITG for the copyedit. Nousernamesleft^{copper, not wood} 22:01, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

• Comment: Image:Lemoine.jpg may have licensing issues. The tag sets forth that the author is an “anonymous photographer”, yet the licensing tag is using the “life of the author plus 70 years” criterion (i.e. if the author is anonymous, how do we know when (s)he died?). Given time frames, this is likely indeed true; however, in France, when the work is anonymous, the criterion roles over to 70 years after the work was first published (not counting extensions for the world wars). Coming into existence and being published are different things; given that this is from a website, if this was scanned from a private collection and uploaded, the publishing date could be as recent as the 1990s (i.e. it would not be PD). Do we have more information about this photo and/or its source to make a proper determination? ЭLСОВВОLД _talk 19:26, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

  Sorry, I've scoured the internet and I can't find anything else about this anonymous photographer. If worst comes to worst, I suppose it could be transferred from Commons to the English Wikipedia. Nousernamesleft^{copper, not wood} 15:45, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

• OK, it's much better. Ref 11—the link won't open. TONY (talk) 12:48, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Ah, yes, I didn't convert that one. Fixed. Nousernamesleft^{copper, not wood} 15:20, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

• Comments
  • Per WP:LEAD, the lead should more adequately summarize the article. It's very short now.
    • Expanded. Nousernamesleft^{copper, not wood} 00:36, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Per WP:MOSQUOTE, quotations of less than 4 lines should not be offset; they should be inline.
    • Inlined. Nousernamesleft^{copper, not wood} 00:04, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  • "in January 1984." - is that supposed to be 1894? I didn't want to fix it in case it was a typo of a later year.
    • It indeed is supposed to be 1894, and it's been corrected. Nousernamesleft^{copper, not wood} 00:04, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  • "following year, he retired from mathematical research, but continued to support the subject" - the year following the journal's initial publication or the year following his resigning as editor?
  • Clarified. Nousernamesleft^{copper, not wood} 00:04, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  • There is no pubisher listed for the David Eugene Smith reference, or the F.C. Gentry, or J.L. Coolidge, or the Eric Weinstein source
    • Publishers provided. Nousernamesleft^{copper, not wood} 00:19, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Are these reliable sources?
    • http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Biographies/Lemoine.html (MacTutor)?
      • The creators are both scholars as described by WP:RS, and it appears that they're supported by the University of St Andrews. Nousernamesleft^{copper, not wood} 00:04, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
    • Mathworld? I'd rather see these be cited to real math books at the very least.
      • Trigonometric functions uses it. Weinstein is a scholar, so it arguably passes WP:RS. Nousernamesleft^{copper, not wood} 00:07, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Karanacs (talk) 21:12, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

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