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The article was promoted by Laser brain via FACBot (talk) 00:05, 10 May 2018 [1].

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2007 AT&T 250

Nominator(s): Bcschneider53 (talk) 17:46, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

This article is about a race in the 2007 NASCAR Busch Series, known today as the Xfinity Series for sponsorship reasons. The race was notable because of a driver change involving Joe Gibbs Racing's Aric Almirola and Denny Hamlin; the latter went on to win the race while the former was given credit for the victory per NASCAR rules. I believe the article is up to par with the other NASCAR FAs. As always, all feedback is welcomed and greatly appreciated. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 17:46, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Comments by User:Royalbroil

I am very familiar with NASCAR as a WikiProject member. I live in Wisconsin and attended several NASCAR races at this track (but not this particular one). I am reviewing from that perspective. Royalbroil 04:11, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

• 1a. Well written
  • Yes
• 1b. Comprehensive
  • Yes
• 1c. well-researched
  • I checked all of the sources - they are all are very reliable IMHO.
  • "Four Wisconsin-born drivers entered the race hoping to continue the trend: Scott Wimmer, Todd Kluever, Kelly Bires, and Frank Kreyer." The article later has Kvapil who is also from Wisconsin. Was he entered or was he just supposed to practice in place of Edwards?

• • Kvapil was in the same situation as Almirola and Darnell; he was practicing in place of a Cup regular. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 17:44, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

• • "Almirola qualified his No. 20 car on pole position with a time of 29.608 seconds." isn't cited with a RS.

• • Fixed. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 17:44, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

• 1d. Neutral
  • Well done
• 1d. stable
  • definitely
• 2a. style: lead
  • well done
• 2b. structure
  • Well organized
• 2c. consistent citations
  • yes
• 3. Media
  • All have appropriate licenses. I had a hand in most of the images for this article (unbeknownst to me when I started reviewing this FA). I took one, cropped another, and located/uploaded another from flickr.
• 4. Length
  • Appropriate

@Royalbroil: Thank you for your comments. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 17:44, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

• Support Thank you for addressing my concerns! Royalbroil 02:54, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Support from Argento Surfer

• I think Busch league should link to Bush league to make the pun clear for readers unfamiliar with the term.

• Done. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 02:57, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

• "With at time of 29.981 seconds" - something's off here

• Fixed. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 02:57, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

• "Wimmer was the fastest in the opening" - if only elapsed time is given, then he's the quickest. Fast relates to speed. (2 instances in this paragraph)

• Fixed. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 02:57, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

• The ET is shown to the third decimal. Is it worth mentioning the difference between Wimmer and 10th place in the prose to show the tightness of the field?

• I don't think any of the other NASCAR GAs and FAs do this so I'd prefer not to for consistency's sake, though if you insist, I'll oblige. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 02:57, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Other than these minor things, the prose looks great. Argento Surfer (talk) 00:59, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

@Argento Surfer: I have amended the issues raised. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 02:57, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

I'm satisfied. Happy to support. Argento Surfer (talk) 10:37, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Support by Kees08

• Should this really be a semicolon? Seems like it should just be a comma. Aric Almirola of Joe Gibbs Racing (JGR) was the listed winner of the race; Richard Childress Racing's Scott Wimmer finished second, while Braun Racing's Jason Leffler finished third.

• Done. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 22:40, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

• Define and wikilink JGR in the body

• JGR is the abbriviation for Joe Gibbs Racing, which is linked and noted already. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 22:40, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
  • I may be mistaken, but it has to happen in both the intro and the body, right? Kees08 (Talk)

• • Ah ok I missed the "in the body" part. Done. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 15:44, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

• Is the decimal place necessary? Not sure 0.4 degrees makes much difference. Temperatures hovering between 66 °F (19 °C) and 55.4 °F (13.0 °C)

• Removed. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 22:40, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

• Cite the things in the infobox that are not cited in the body of the article

• Cited the TV announcers, though most everything else is already present in the article. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 22:40, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

• Any way to avoid using returned in consecutive sentences? (return is used in that sentence again, making it three)The Busch Series first came to the Milwaukee Mile in 1984, returning the following season before taking a seven-year absence from visiting the track. It returned

• Done. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 22:40, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

• Would the points paragraph be better represented with tables, like it is represented at the end of the article? Just the same tables, but in the background section?

• For the sake of consistency with other NASCAR GAs and FAs, I think it's better to represent the points entering the race in prose. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 22:40, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Hm, I think I will wait for a second opinion on that. It seems like the article would flow a lot better with it in a table. Kees08 (Talk)
  • @Royalbroil: What do you think about this point? Looking for a second opinion. Kees08 (Talk) 21:09, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
    • Hmm, good question. I don't think that the other FA/GA should need to be revisited for such a small matter. No strong opinion either way - a weak preference for the table per WP:WHENTABLE (a sporting list). Royalbroil 02:11, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
      • @Bcschneider53: Okay I think we are both leaning towards a table; would you mind implementing that? Kees08 (Talk) 09:12, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
        • @Kees08: Not a problem with me; I'm busy today, so maybe this evening I can make the table happen. I do want to ping @MWright96: though since he works with a lot of similar articles; should this be the standard going forward? --Bcschneider53 (talk) 14:51, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
        • @Kees08: Tables are done! --Bcschneider53 (talk) 18:55, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

• I think I am missing a core concept here. Why exactly are all these racers flying here to race? I know there is another race, and I remember similar things happening w/ NASCAR and the Indy 500, is it a similar concept? Might be something you can lay out better to those who are not familiar with the race. (after finishing the article, I guess Busch is not the premier racing league, and that is why. Not clear to me on why they would want to race in both still)

• Some drivers race in both NASCAR-sanctioned series to gain more experience, fulfill sponsor obligations (the case with Hamlin here), or simply because they love to race. It's called Buschwhacking. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 22:40, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

• Toyota is wikilink twice in the qualifying table

• Done. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 22:40, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

• Who led the most laps?

• Edwards. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 22:40, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Duh, I did not follow the footnote. Kees08 (Talk)

• Does Hamlin getting the points affect the season at all?

• Hamlin actually didn't get the points; Almirola did. The driver who starts the race receives the points and prize money. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 22:40, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Sorry was a bit sleepy. I meant does Hamlin not getting the points affect the season (or Almirola getting the points). Looking at the standings, it does not seem like it, was just curious. Might be worth putting in the article if there were/were not implications. Kees08 (Talk)

• • Since neither Hamlin nor Almirola ran the full season that year, it did not really have any notable impact on the standings. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 15:44, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
    • Okay, is there a good place to put that in the article? That seems important, it was the first thing I thought of when I saw Almirola received the points. Kees08 (Talk) 21:09, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

• I was curious what blocked the track, apparently parked cars. Might be neat to include that and that they considered landing on the racetrack itself. Also has some details on Edwards' commute if you feel like including it.

• Added. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 22:40, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

I think that's it for now. Kees08 (Talk) 09:11, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

@Kees08: Thank you. I'm rather busy today but I'll have time this evening. Will try to get it done then as most of these seem fairly simple fixes. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 13:34, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

@Kees08: Done everything in the first go-round; let me know if you need anything else. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 22:40, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

@Bcschneider53: Three things I commented back on. Kees08 (Talk) 08:50, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Image review

• Y File:CarlEdwardsAugust2007.jpg - link to photo it was cropped from is broken, can you try finding it and repairing the link? License review pending that.
• Y File:DennyHamlinAugust2007.jpg - License was originally fine, Flickr user changed the license to all rights reserved, however creative commons licenses are irrevocable, so the license is fine for this image.
• Y File:AricAlmirola army.mil-2007-08-27-075631 (cropped).jpg - Looks fine
• Y File:ScottWimmerMilwaukee2009.jpg - Looks fine
• Y File:The Milwaukee Mile.svg - Add an English description on the filepage

I think personality rights warnings have to be added to all the images focused on an individual. If you think they do not let me know.

Check out WP:ALT for how to write alt text, and redo the alt text for all the images. Thanks! Kees08 (Talk) 09:24, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

@Kees08: Thank you for the review; fixed the two minor issues and tried my best at the ALT text (something I've always struggled with knowing how to do well). --Bcschneider53 (talk) 15:55, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

I will try to reword the alts later today. Kees08 (Talk) 20:59, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

@Bcschneider53: If you want to give it another go though, just write them like you are describing the picture to a blind person. Instead of 'map of Milkwaukee Mile', it would me more like 'Diagram of oval shaped racetrack, with pit line jutting from the top of the image into the interior of the track' or something...worded better than that, but along those lines. Kees08 (Talk) 21:11, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Okay I changed the alt text. Let me know if you have any issues with it. Otherwise the image review is complete. Kees08 (Talk) 09:11, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Comments – Read through the article and most of it looks good to me. I did come up with the following few comments, which are relatively minor.

• At the end of the lead, why is the second word of "Manufacturers' championship" not capitalized when other similar items in the same sentence are?
• Background: Redundant use of "race" in "Menard, the defending race winner, did not participate in the race." I'd say the last three words could simply be dropped to tighten the writing a bit.
• Practice and qualifying: Try not to start a sentence with a numeral like 44; in that case, spelling out the words is fine. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:24, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

@Kees08 and Giants2008: Done the minor comments, so I believe all that's left are the new tables? I'll try to finish those up tomorrow afternoon. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 01:51, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

• Support – All of my comments have been resolved and I think the article meets FA standards. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:11, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

@Ian Rose, Laser brain, and Sarastro1: I think this is ready to close unless you guys see something missing? Kees08 (Talk) 19:21, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

• Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. --Laser brain (talk) 00:05, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

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