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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Ealdgyth via FACBot (talk) 15 August 2020 [1].


Nominator(s): Harrias talk 13:08, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

One of the most gut-wrenching cricket matches I've been to. Somerset lost their second final in a row, more or less on a last ball technicality. But really just because the Somerset players didn't know the Laws of Cricket, or at least, forgot them. As always, all comments and criticisms welcome. Harrias talk 13:08, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Gog the Mild

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Nb, it is my intention to claim points for this review in the WikiCup.

  • "which was the first domestic Twenty20 competition between first-class sides." I suspect that either 'UK' or 'English' needs inserting into that.
Fine. But, optionally, could this be stressed? Eg, by adding 'anywhere in the world'.
  • I realise that this is the lead, but "Hampshire reached 62 from the powerplay, but then lost a cluster of wickets. A steadying partnership between Neil McKenzie and Sean Ervine took them to the brink of victory, but another pair of wickets led to a tense finish." could be written more accessibly. Eg, bracket in an explanation of "powerplay", maybe add "six-over" as in the article; add 'lost' after the second "wickets".
  • "The match was eventually tied". I assume that the score rather than the match was tied. How could a tied match produce a winner?
  • Weirdly, this match is recorded as a Hampshire win. Typically in cricket, the match is tied and the competition is won via the tie-breaker. For example, the 2019 Cricket World Cup Final, which England won on boundary count, is officially recorded as a tie. Somerset's tie with Hampshire in 2011, when they were knocked out after losing the super-over is also officially recorded as a tie. But anyway, that's beside the point, in this case, apparently, it wasn't a tie. Harrias talk 08:51, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Background". Perhaps mention 'England' in the first sentence?
  • "the sixteen group-stage fixtures". I count 32, 16 per group.
  • Clarified: "..the sixteen group-stage fixtures per team were an increase.."
  • "and the final were held". Optional: "held" → 'played'.
  • "as being one of the favourites". When? Ie, at the start of the competition, or of finals day?
  • "though Jimmy Adams entered Finals' Day as the competition's leading run-scorer". Which team did he play for?
  • "until the wicket of Samit Patel at the start of the 13th over". Maybe 'until the wicket of Samit Patel fell at the start of the 13th over'?
  • "and leading up to the final, the ESPNcricinfo commentary described conditions as "murky". It may be me, but the comma made it very difficult for me to parse that phrase.
  • "he had faced 16 of the 19 balls". Add 'bowled'.
  • "stodgy": Wiktionary link?
Agreed. But at least you have made an effort.
  • "Jimmy Adams and Razzaq opened the batting for Hampshire". Maybe link "opened" to opening batsmen in Glossary of cricket terms?
I missed that. I would still, optionally, suggest adding it again. Duplinks are not prohibited in all circumstances, and this may be one where it would aid a reader.
  • "Their total of 62 for one at the end of the six-over powerplay was their second-highest of the competition." Which a non-aficionado won't understand without clicking on "powerplay". Any chance of working a brief explanation into the follow of the text?
  • "to act as a runner for him". Oh come on :-) . An explanation of "runner" please. Preferably simple enough for the Somerset players to grasp the concept.
Link to Runner (cricket).
Added wikilink. Harrias talk 07:12, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "even knew the law". Assuming that only ignorance of that particular rule is being confessed to, could this be clarified. Currently one might gain the impression that very few of the Somerset staff and players knew any of the laws of cricket.
Fine.
  • "Somerset won the resulting Super Over"> Why the capitalisation?
  • "Route to Finals' Day" section: suggest a paragraph break immediately before "Hampshire".

The match and aftermath sections flow well. Background and build up I found a little clunky. Not helped by rather large paragraphs. At times it felt like just a collection of facts. I know that to a large extent that is the nature of the beast, but could the flow be smoothed a little?

Gog the Mild (talk) 18:51, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Some responses to the response you have done so far. Gog the Mild (talk) 11:10, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Gog the Mild: I've had a bit of a tidy through the background and build-up sections to try and improve the flow, and hopefully tidied any remaining issues; could you have another look over it when you get a chance? Harrias talk 12:36, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's quite a bit better. I have made a couple of tweaks - revert at will. Flow is much better; trying to get an encyclopedia article on a sports event to trip along must be a nightmare.

Gog the Mild (talk) 21:52, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers Gog the Mild. Linked both, and also caught the runner link you asked for above, which I had missed. Harrias talk 07:12, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good. Supporting. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:06, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support by Kosack

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This is what stood out for me on a run through. A great article overall, very little to complain about. Kosack (talk) 13:47, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Kosack: Thanks for the review; I have responded to each of your points above. Harrias talk 15:53, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No worries, I'm happy with the fixes and answers given above. I have no further issues, so I'm happy to support this. Kosack (talk) 21:21, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comments from TRM

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(With two disclaimers: (a) I think I reviewed/promoted this to GA (b) I'd like to count this review (if long enough!) for the good ol' WikiCup.)

That's the lead. More tomorrow (or today, depending how pedantic we want to be). The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 23:17, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Up to the Match section. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 08:04, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's it. This'll go into the ol' WikiCup melting pot if you don't mind. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:58, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: Thanks for that. I think I've addressed (or at least queried) everything now, let me know what you think. Harrias talk 14:58, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man: Cheers, how is it now? Harrias talk 11:34, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man: When you get a chance, could you take a look over, and see if my edits have resolved your concerns? Harrias talk 10:44, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Good enough for me, happy to support good work. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 14:34, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source review

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spotchecks not done

Thanks Nikkimaria. It looks like ESPNcricinfo have changed the formatting on the page slightly so that the direct links to each innings don't work anymore, so I have merged the references. I could probably have found archived versions instead, but I don't think there is a real need. Thanks for highlighting the authors; I thought they normally listed them at the start, so I hadn't looked at the end. I have added them in. Harrias talk 19:03, 1 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Nikkimaria: If you get a chance, could you take another look over, and see if my changes have resolved your concerns? Harrias talk 10:43, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, looks fine. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:12, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Image review—pass

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All images are free. Image placement meets MOS. (t · c) buidhe 12:12, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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