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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Gog the Mild via FACBot (talk) 15 November 2020 [1].


Nominator(s):  — Amakuru (talk) 20:27, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My Rwandan Civil War article is the TFA today, which reminded me that I haven't nominated anything for FA for quite some time now. This article is about the 2017 final of the EFL Trophy, an annual competition for clubs in the third and fourth tiers of the English football system. The match that year was contested between Coventry City and Oxford United, at Wembley Stadium, with Coventry the winners by 2–1. Disclaimer: I am a supporter of Coventry City, and I was at the match myself, but obviously I've written it from what I hope is a neutral point of view, with equal attention to both teams and due deference to what's written in sources. The GA review was carried out by The Rambling Man, who also has a wealth of experience in getting articles of this nature up to FA status, so hopefully it's got most of what it needs. I'll obviously be happy to address and respond to any concerns anyone has, so bring them on please! Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 20:27, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Image review—pass

Images are freely licensed (t · c) buidhe 07:52, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Quick comment – Not sure that I can commit to a full review, but I noticed an issue in the second half summary. The statement "Oxford had their best chance of the second half so far with 15 minutes remaining" can't be correct, as they scored three minutes later in the 75th minute, according to the statistical summary. There had to have been more time remaining than 15 minutes, unless the stats below this are wrong. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:34, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    @Giants2008: actually now you mention it, I think I vaguely thought of this as an issue when I was writing it... it's most likely a discrepancy in timelines between the minute-by-minute coverage in one of the newspapers and the official goal timings. I'll look in to this shortly and make it consistent. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 10:46, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    @Giants2008: I have now updated the timings based on the more consistent BBC report. The chance was on 74 minutes, with the goal one minute later on 75. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 22:31, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support by Kosack

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Nice work overall Amakuru, here's a few things I picked out from an initial run through. Kosack (talk) 11:07, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Kosack: apologies for the slight delay, but I think I've looked at all your points so far now.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:22, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No worries. One further point I may suggest, I feel like English Football League should be written out in full somewhere in the opening paragraph to explain the uses of EFL. Perhaps instead of "clubs from League One and League Two", it could read "clubs from Leagues one and Two of the English Football League"? That's probably the best thing I can think of, or if you have any other ideas over placement? Kosack (talk) 12:15, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that's a good point. I've added it to the lead as you suggest. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 09:14, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Think that's all from me, happy to support. Kosack (talk) 20:01, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:ACCESS comments from Harrias

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Comments from Mike Christie

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I've copyedited; please revert anything you disagree with.

  • The lead says Oxford scored 12 minutes from the end, but per the match details it was at 75 minutes.
  • Things may have changed since I was a frequent reader of football match reports, but "kicked" is jarring to me. E.g. "but the Oxford striker kicked his shot wide of the goal" sounds odd. Is this now common usage, or are you just trying to vary the language? Here I think "but the Oxford striker's shot was wide of the goal" would be more natural. Unless you feel this is now acceptable usage I'd suggest looking for similar uses and changing at least some of them.

I'll do another read-through once you've responded. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 01:43, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Fixes look good. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:24, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Lee Vilenski

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I may end up claiming points towards the wikicup. Hope you don't mind! :P|

I'll take a look at this article, and give some comments on how it meets the FA criteria in a little while. If you fancy doing some QPQ, I have a list of items that can be looked at here Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 15:45, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Other than that, I can't see too much, if you can address the above, I'd be happy to support. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 16:07, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Lee Vilenski: thanks for the review, and I've looked at/resolved/responded to all the points you mention above. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 18:50, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - pass

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Will try to get to this soon. Hog Farm Bacon 21:13, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source queries:

  • What is statto.com? It's probably okay from the looks of it, but I'm not familiar with it, so I'm asking
    I'm not entirely sure on that point. That line was lifted from EFL Trophy. Looking at the linked page, it doesn't seem to directly verify the fact anyway, so I have switched it to a link to a RSSSF page, which is regarded as reliable.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:44, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Other references look acceptable. Formatting looks okay.

Spot checks:

  • "This time they were successful, scoring all but one of their kicks while Eastwood saved from Southend's Simon Cox and Stephen McLaughlin's penalty went over the bar" - Checks out
  • "Coventry were making their first appearance in a League Trophy final" - Checks out
  • "West Ham were one of 16 academy teams from Premier League and EFL Championship clubs appearing following the tournament revamp in the summer of 2016" - Source doesn't mention West Ham. Also, it's stated that the 16 academy teams were planned to appear, but since it's before that happened, it's not exact confirmation that they did appear
    Done. I have replaced the ref for this point with a better one, which gives the details you mention.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:44, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • " with Kane Hemmings, Jamie Sterry, Chris Maguire and Alex MacDonald all scoring as the match finished 4–1" - Checks out
  • "Jones added another to make it 4–2 to Coventry" - Checks out
  • "The referee for the match was Chris Sarginson" - Checks out
  • "The Coventry Telegraph in its minute-by-minute report urged Robins to tell his players that they "need to start asking Oxford a few more questions rather than being forced to defend what appears to be a fragile lead"" - Quote checks out
  • "Appleton was more critical of the format, preferring to return to the 48-team version" - Checks out
  • "but they eventually finished the season in eighth place, four points adrift of Millwall who took sixth place and the final play-off berth" - Checks out

Overall, I'm fine with source-text integrity and saw no signs of close paraphrasing. Respond to the statto query and fix the one issue I did catch, and this should be fine. Hog Farm Bacon 03:02, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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