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The article was archived by Buidhe via FACBot (talk) 19 February 2022 [1].

2021 World Snooker Championship[edit]

Nominator(s): Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 16:15, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about the 2021 edition of the World Snooker Championship. Mark Selby won his fourth title, in a really good event. For reference, six of the previous seven articles in the series are also at FA; so hopefully there isn't too much work to do. This is the second attempt at this one, after the previous one was closed for inactivity. Let me know what you think of the article. :) Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 16:15, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Image review pass per previous FAC (t · c) buidhe 21:00, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by ChrisTheDude[edit]

  • "It was the 45th consecutive year that the tournament had been held at the Crucible" - slightly redundant since you said in the previous section that it's been held there since 1977
  • "Defending champion Ronnie O'Sullivan" - probably don't need to restate his forename
  • "Defending champion Ronnie O'Sullivan played debutant Mark Joyce in the opening match" - same again for both players
  • "Reigning Masters champion Yan Bingtao played Martin Gould" - again, probably don't need to restate Gould's forename. Check for any other such instances. I would say that after a player's full name has been established in the body of the article they should then only be referred to by surname.
  • "after serving a year-long ban" - probably worth saying what this was for
  • "The second session opened with Tian" - what does it mean when you say the session "opened with Tian"?
  • "Gary made two half-century breaks" - appreciate that there were two Wilsons involved, but it seems a bit informal to just refer to him as Gary. Might need to use his full name (or find a way to reword a bit)
  • Same with the other usages relating to this match
  • "The second round matches was" - plural/singular disagreement
  • "Trump led 11–5, who won 13–8" - reads a bit oddly. Maybe "Trump led 11–5 and went on to win 13–8"
  • "before frame 19 lasted over an hour, was also won by Bingham" - doesn't quite read right grammatically, maybe "before frame 19 lasted over an hour, and was also won by Bingham"
  • "Selby, then won three straight frames" - no need for that comma
  • That's what I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:05, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source & verification review by MrLinkinPark333[edit]

Hey Lee. I'll do a source review of this one (review version). As this is a lengthy article, I'll have to break up my review into sections. I'll do the easier sections first:

  • Qualifying stage centuries:
    • "made by Mark Davis in his third round win over Stuart Carrington." - Centuries list for qualifiyng doesn't mention winner of each match. Therefore, "third round win over" -> "third round match against" or something similar.
  • Main stage centuries:
    • Archived copy of Centuries in the Main Stage needs to be adjusted to May 14th to show all 108.
    • "surpassing the previous best of 100 set in 2019" - Original Research as only the 2021 centuries are listed
    • "made by Shaun Murphy in his second round win over Yan Bingtao." - same as above, the Centuries list doesn't state the winners of each match. So, I suggest "second round win over" -> "second round match against"
    • "three short of the record held by Stephen Hendry, but made an additional four centuries in qualification" - two Original Research issues here. 1) No mention of Hendry's record of 13 centuries in main stage. 2) While Bingham did indeed made 4 additional centuries in qualifying, only the main stage centuries are cited in this section (qualifying centuries are in a different source).
  • Qualifying
    • No mention of Kowalski and Yize withdrawing / Hussain and Leclercq replacing at WST Qualifiers. New source needed.
    • No mention of Xiwen, Fu, and Mifsud withdrawing / White, Davison, and Fernandez replacing them as Q school entries. New source needed.
    • Also, since White, Davison, and Fernandez are amateurs, a source that states this could also help, as it'd prevent confusion of why there are 19 amateurs instead of 16.
    • "the 16 amateur players selected to participate in the qualifying rounds" - Kowalski and Yize were selected to play by WPBSA, not Hussain and Leclercq. However, you did mention them earlier in the paragraph (withHussain and Leclercq replacing Kowalski and Yize). If it's easier, you can drop Hussain and Leclercq in the last sentence of the paragraph and adjust the sentence to mention the remaining 14 amateurs. Then, in the first sentence of the paragraph, mention Hussain and Leclercq are amateurs so all are covered.
  • Qualifying draw:
    • Allan Taylor & Bai Langning's 1st round match was 6-4 not 6-3 per World Snooker Full Draw.
    • Mark Joyce & Anthony Hamilton's 3rd round match was 6-3 not 6-4 per Full Draw.
    • The rankings do not match the snooker.org rankings. Either a new source is needed or all of the rankings need to be replaced.

More to come later --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 21:31, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Main draw
    • Need source(s) to show the dates each match was held and how many frames per match to win for all rounds [first rounds all the way to final] as snooker.org doesn't say.
    • Session 3 frame 1 was 4-84, not 4-87
    • Session 3 frame 2 Selby has 62 break
    • Per Session 3 break of 62 for Selby, it'd be 15 50+ breaks for Selby, not 14 --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 22:16, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Background
    • Gotta have to request the Snooker Scene source either by you or someone else as I don't see verification with the other 2 WST sources. Note to self: come back later to fully check afterwards
    • "The first World Snooker Championship took place in 1927" - well, the final was in 1927, but it started in November 1926 per Chris Turner.
    • "Since 1977, the event has been held at the Crucible Theatre in Sheffield, England" - not verified by Historic England.
    • "Organised by World Snooker, in partnership with the World Professional Billiards and Snooker Assoication (WPBSA)" - little bit of rewording needed as it's almost exactly the same as The Star.
    • "The 2020 championship was won by English player Ronnie O'Sullivan, who defeated compatriot Kyren Wilson" - no mention in the three sources that both players are from England. I also think 3 sources is excessive as they say the same thing (apart from the England part).
  • Format
    • "took place between 17 April and 3 May 2021 at the Crucible Theatre" - BBC Sport has all expect May 3rd for the final. Either source can be swapped out or extra source needed.
    • "The event featured a 32-player main draw contested at the Crucible" - doesn't mention Crucible, so can easily be reworded to "at the Championship" or something similar.
    • Ents24 is a website selling tickets to the championship. I don't think this a high-quality source, nor needed as snooker.org already covers the 2020-21 season in the "last of 15 ranking events" sentence.
    • "It was the 45th consecutive year that the tournament had been held at the Crucible" - Not verified by Historic England, so the source needs swapping out.
    • "sponsored by sports betting company Betfred, as it has been since 2015" - SBC News says Betfred has sponsored the torunament since 2009, not 2015.
    • "qualified for the main draw as seeded players. Defending champion Ronnie O'Sullivan was automatically seeded first overall" - not sure if Eurosport if clear enough about the seeded parts to verify. Might be better to combine references with the next one (Race to the Crucible).
    • "released after the 2021 Tour Championship which was the penultimate ranking event of the season." - no mention by WPBSA that Tour Championship was penultimate ranking event.
  • Coverage
    • Not 100% sure about the reliability of Sporting Free per their About Us page. No indication of a editorial team. I don't think this is a high-quality source for FA. Therefore:
      • New source needed to show the Tournament was shown on BBC Television and BBC Online.
      • "Superstars Online, Zhibo.tv, Youku, and CCTV in China; by NowTV in Hong Kong; and by DAZN in Canada, the United States, and Brazil" - majority of this is Original Research. The only channel mentioned by Sporting Free is DAZN. However, it specifically states Canada only, not USA or Brazil. The other channels/countries are not mentioned. There is also the question of whether this is a high-quality source for FA or not. In any case, majority of this sentence is not verified.
    • "broadcast in Europe and Australia by Eurosport, who also covered the qualifying rounds" - Eurosport only mentions it would broadcast the 17 days of the tournament (April 17 - May 3), not the qualifying rounds beforehand.
    • "It was the first and only event of the 2020–21 snooker season not to be staged behind closed doors." - not stated by World Snooker Tour.
  • Prize fund
    • Need source to show maximum break prizes for main stage and qualifying stage (World Snooker Tour doesnt have it).

--MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:48, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Going to have to stop here for several reasons: I don't have access to the Snooker Scene source, so I would need to request access. However, I've been finding Original research issues. If it was simple errors like 6-4 instead of 6-3, that'd be okay. However, there are instances where sentences are not backed up by the sources (i.e. Hendry's record, Fu withdrawing, 2021 Tour Championship being pentultimate, streamed on Superstars Online, etc.) I also do not think Sporting Free or Ents24 are not high-quality sources for FA. Please note I have not gone through the Summary or sub-sections. If you are wanting to me to continue to review the rest, both the Original Research & questions of high-quality sources will need to be addressed first. Let me know what you think. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 01:30, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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