Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Ada Wong/archive2
- Nominator(s): JokEobard (talk) ๐Boneless Pizza!๐ (๐) 22:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
This article is about a character from the Resident Evil gameย andย film series; who is known for her red dress.
The article has undergone a lot of changes due to the reviewers at the 2nd peer review. It received several reviews from Aoba47, PanagiotisZois, Panini!, and Crisco 1492 (thanks for their help). Because of it, I feel like the article is ready for the FA criteria. Thank you! ๐Boneless Pizza!๐ (๐) 22:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Comments from Panagiotis Zois
[edit]Given my involvement with heavily rewriting the content of the "Reception" section, could I even take part in this FAC? I feel like a "conflict-of-interest" situation might arise.--PanagiotisZois (talk) 13:46, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hey. I don't think thats a problem in fact some reviewers wants to assist nominators more in a different way so that they can easily resolve any issues. Additionally, you were also not the author. Regards ๐Boneless Pizza!๐ (๐) 14:05, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Vacant0
[edit]Will review this again. Vacant0 (talk โข contribs) 10:38, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Ref 43 missing page(s).
- Hi Vacant0. I don't think they need book pages since the book itself contains almost everything about the RE plot; and as usual almost the entire book pages mentions Ada (same with the usage of that sources from Jill Valentine). ๐Boneless Pizza!๐ (๐) 12:58, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- I do not see any particular issues with references and their reliability. Valnet sources are used, though TheGamer is now considered reliable.
- I only used two TheGamer, but it is marked reliable unlike the content before. ๐Boneless Pizza!๐ (๐) 12:58, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- First ref in the Ref 46 is still confusing me. Do you have an issue number or ISSN of the comic book?
- Not at all. I ended up removing the Chinese comic book source. ๐Boneless Pizza!๐ (๐) 12:58, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
Spotchecked:
- In Resident Evil series: Ref 14, 15, 18, 20, 22, 25 (only mentions "
Also, completion of Separate Ways will further flesh out new information files which get added to "Ada's Report."
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- Nice caught! I Ended up removing the claim of ref 25 because I cannot support the claim. ๐Boneless Pizza!๐ (๐) 13:31, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Other appearances: Ref 31, 33, 39, 47
- Concept and design: Ref 49, 54, 56, 58, 62
- Voice-over and live-action actresses: Ref 4, 12
- Reception: Ref 8, 66, 75, 76
I'll take another look at the prose by the end of the week and will then decide my vote. Vacant0 (talk โข contribs) 13:24, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks! Take your time ๐Boneless Pizza!๐ (๐) 13:31, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
Crisco 1492
[edit]- Just a quick question - I'll have another read later, as this has changed a lot since the peer review. Does Jennings offer any arguments for why Ada "demonstrate[s] the intersectional potential of the feminine gaze?" The next line, that Jennings criticized the game's whitewashing of her heritage, suggests to me that Jennings was arguing that Ada's representation as both a woman and as a person of Asian descent brought more potential agency to the character. Why, though? Is this worth a footnote, or even just a bit of a more explicit clause explaining her argument? ย โย Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:51, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Chris Woodrich I expanded a bit [1], and yeah she mentioned about her representation as a woman. I hope this is fine for you as a non-native English speaker. ๐Boneless Pizza!๐ (๐) 02:18, 11 September 2024 (UTC)<
- To avoid too much mark-up, we had some discussion of Jennings' arguments at my talk page. Linked here for transparency. ย โย Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:52, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Chris Woodrich I expanded a bit [1], and yeah she mentioned about her representation as a woman. I hope this is fine for you as a non-native English speaker. ๐Boneless Pizza!๐ (๐) 02:18, 11 September 2024 (UTC)<
- Lede
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- Worth mentioning in the lede that Lily Gao has reprised the role in the most recent release?
- I'm not sure if this is needed as this may be potentially being removed by my co-nom, but I added it [2] ๐Boneless Pizza!๐ (๐) 04:43, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Is there any way to avoid mentioning Resident Evil 2 twice in two sentences? I had reworked it to use "latter", but that was reverted. Maybe "the prototype for the sequel"?ย โย Chris Woodrich (talk) 09:17, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- My conom reverted it. I replaced it now with "sequel". ๐Boneless Pizza!๐ (๐) 09:52, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Appearances
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- After the restructuring, it's not clear who Alice is on first mention.
- Added [3] ๐Boneless Pizza!๐ (๐) 04:43, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- What's the distinction between an alternate skin and a costume?ย โย Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:07, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Replaced the "costume" as an "alternate skin" [4]. ๐Boneless Pizza!๐ (๐) 04:43, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Concept and design
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- "randomly and without much thought" - This is a bit awkwardly phrased. Any means of rewording this?ย โย Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:50, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hmmm, not sure how since Kadoi said he "randomly thought her name without much thought" in the first Resident Evil. ๐Boneless Pizza!๐ (๐) 21:17, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- If that's the word he used, we may stray too much if we rephrase it. It's a minor quibble, anyways.ย โย Chris Woodrich (talk) 21:26, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hmmm, not sure how since Kadoi said he "randomly thought her name without much thought" in the first Resident Evil. ๐Boneless Pizza!๐ (๐) 21:17, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- "Separate Ways" is mentioned three times in three sentences. Any chance of reworking this to avoid the repetition?
- Honestly, I prefer to repeat than to say DLC imor minigame because it confuses readers. In the original RE4, it is a minigame; but in the remake it is now DLC. Or you got any suggestion? ๐Boneless Pizza!๐ (๐) 21:17, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- I reworked it with this edit.ย โย Chris Woodrich (talk) 21:26, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Honestly, I prefer to repeat than to say DLC imor minigame because it confuses readers. In the original RE4, it is a minigame; but in the remake it is now DLC. Or you got any suggestion? ๐Boneless Pizza!๐ (๐) 21:17, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Reception
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- For the feminist critiques of the character, I was wondering if there is any consideration of the deuteragonist in Ada's chapter in Resident Evil 6 vis-a-vis Ada herself. She has a name, a face, and a known story, whereas the faceless male-coded deuteragonist in her chapter is there simply to ensure that the game's co-play mechanics are available (he isn't even H.U.N.K.)ย โย Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:50, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Chris Woodrich You mean if I can find more reception about her appearance in RE6? Nope. ๐Boneless Pizza!๐ (๐) 21:17, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- It was more wondering if anyone had contrasted Ada with the Player 2 character in that chapter, but given that the character is essentially a non-entity, makes sense that nobody has. ย โย Chris Woodrich (talk) 21:20, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Probably not, but I will recheck it again to make sure in Saturday since I couldn't access my computer yet this time. ๐Boneless Pizza!๐ (๐) 21:24, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- It was more wondering if anyone had contrasted Ada with the Player 2 character in that chapter, but given that the character is essentially a non-entity, makes sense that nobody has. ย โย Chris Woodrich (talk) 21:20, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Chris Woodrich You mean if I can find more reception about her appearance in RE6? Nope. ๐Boneless Pizza!๐ (๐) 21:17, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Overall, this article is looking really solid right now. ย โย Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:50, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support, based on the peer review and review here. This appears to be a thorough review of the sources available, and it feels accessible to the average reader (though as someone who has played the games since release, and whose first edits were RElated, I might not be the best judge of that)ย โย Chris Woodrich (talk) 21:27, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
Aoba47
[edit]I will do a thorough read-through of the article later in the week. I have a few quick comments for now.
- I would avoid repeating "video game" in the following sentence as it does make the prose unnecessarily repetitive: (Video game publications have positively responded to Ada as a video game character.)
- I would move the Resident Evil 4 link up to this part, (a remake of the original game), as that is the first time that the game is mentioned. I would also include the year up there as well.
- The source links for File:Early concept art of Ada.jpg are both dead (at least for me). Both links go to blank images for me.
Please ping me in a week if I have not posted anything further. Best of luck with the FAC. Aoba47 (talk) 03:00, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- RE: Source link, I have cited the PC port of RE2 as that was where the copies I provided the nominators came from. I have also fixed the links to Fandom โ hopefully they work now. ย โย Chris Woodrich (talk) 12:39, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks Chris! Also, I already replaced "video game publications" and about the link of RE4, it was later removed per [5] ๐Boneless Pizza!๐ (๐) 13:12, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the responses. Aoba47 (talk) 15:05, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks Chris! Also, I already replaced "video game publications" and about the link of RE4, it was later removed per [5] ๐Boneless Pizza!๐ (๐) 13:12, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- I think this part, (the character that would later become Ada was initially depicted as Linda), could be condensed to something like (Ada was initially depicted as Linda) to be more concise.
- Thank you for your comments! The reason I phrased this sentence the way that I did is because the final version of Ada that debuted in RE2 is an amalgamation of two prototypical characters that (initially) had no relation whatsoever: John Clemens girlfriend "Ada", who was only mentioned by name in RE1; and the Umbrella researcher Linda. Writer Noboru Sugimura ultimately gave Linda's role as Leon's supporting character to Ada in the final build, so Ada and Linda were never the same characters at all. I therefore feel that it is more appropriate to say that the (prototypical) character that was (eventually) transformed into Ada was initially depicted as Linda. I hope I'm adequately getting my meaning across, and I would be more than happy to discuss this further.ย :)JokEobard (talk) 08:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- For this part, (After the prototype was scrapped), I would avoid the word "scrapped" as it is too informal for Wikipedia.
- I do not think the director link is needed for (director Hideki Kamiya) as it does create an instead of a WP:SEAOFBLUE.
- This could be a matter of personal preference, but I would revise this sentence, (Ada's appearance was designed by artists Isao Ohishi and Ryoji Shimogama), to a more active tense: (i.e. Artists Isao Ohishi and Ryoji Shimogama designed Ada's appearance.)
- I would better attribute the quote in this sentence: (Recognizing Ada's minimal role in the main campaign and her being a "very strong character" that "deserves to really stand out" in Resident Evil 4, Capcom developed a short campaign dedicated to her.) The sentence attributes it to Capcom in general, but the source makes it clear that it is from Masachika Kawata.
- I have two comments on this part, (who helps protagonist Ethan Winters, such as helping him escape one of his trials early in the game). I would avoid repeating helps / helping in the same sentence as it is too repetitive. Also, is there a better and clearer descriptor for Ethan Winters? It would be helpful to give readers a better understanding of who this character is in the game itself.
These are my comments up to the "Reception" section. I hope that this is helpful and let me know if you have any questions. Aoba47 (talk) 21:14, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Aoba47. It seems like all of them are already resolved by @JokEobard (Thanks to him). Though, I don't know what's the best descriptor for Ethan Winters. Replacing "protagonist" into "civilian" seems kinda odd for you or not? Thanks! ๐Boneless Pizza!๐ (๐) 12:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)