Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Dreaming of You (album)/archive1

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The article was not promoted by Karanacs 16:28, 4 October 2010 [1].

Dreaming of You (album)[edit]

Nominator(s): AJona1992 (talk) 13:47, 30 September 2010 (UTC) [reply]

I just finished re-creating and expanding this article from 18,000 bytes to over 67,000 bytes. I would like this article to be my first featured article. I already did a good job with Amor Prohibido (song) and turned this stub article into a GA status. I continued to further expand Selena articles, and my next mission was "Dreaming of You" and so here it is after 2 weeks its ready. Thank you, also if there are any errors please let me know and I will fix them immediately. AJona1992 (talk) 13:47, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Twelve links to dab pages and five dead external links; see the toolbox to the right. The prose is less than ideal: for example, "Critics received the album with mixed to positive reviews with many of them stating that Dreaming of You wasn't Selena's peak as an artist, while stating, Amor Prohibido is a more consistent release that it was an effective introduction, and showed why she was adored by Tejano fans alike." in the lead. The rest of the article doesn't seem to be much better. I recommend withdrawing this FAC, getting an independent copyeditor, and taking the article to peer review. (There may well also be problems in other areas, such as sourcing; I haven't checked.) Ucucha 14:14, 30 September 2010 (UTC) & 14:26, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I have corrected them, but please be aware that footnotes go after punctuation, except dashes. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:18, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: Thank you SandyGeorgia, and I didn't know that but hey still learning. AJona1992 (talk) 14:20, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment: Well I was asking around and I nominated this article for a "Copyedit" project on Wikipedia but no one wanted to help so I felt that, in my eyes, the article is ready but I guess not. If you have anyone who are wiling to check it over that will be great but like I said I don't really like asking because every time I ask no one wants to help. And I know they don't have to. AJona1992 (talk) 14:29, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Quick driveby note to Sandy: that's not actually true. WP:FN says "When a reference tag coincides with punctuation, the reference tag is normally placed immediately after the punctuation, except for dashes, as recommended by the Chicago Manual of Style and other style guides.[5][6] Some editors prefer the in-house style of journals such as Nature, which place references before punctuation. If an article has evolved using predominantly one style of ref tag placement, the whole article should conform to that style unless there is a consensus to change it."—that is, either they all go before the punctuation or they all go after, but all the policy says is that they be consistent. – iridescent 15:36, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      - This article had a mish-mash, not one style, and MOS prefers footnotes after punc unless a different consistent style is used, then consensus is needed to alter that. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:55, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- The article has problems, but I don't think I'm in the position to criticize the article, given my past problems with Ajona, unless Ajona wants to hear it. Thanks Secret ^account 22:35, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Hey you can tell me, I thought we would leave the past in the past but I am cool with it so I can fix them fast. Thanks AJona1992 (talk) 22:40, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
OK comments would have opposed but I'm being kind, I could help out with whatever sourcing my book has on the article if that becomes an issue later on to be fair.
Explain Caribbean remix
"Critics received the album with mixed to positive reviews with many of them stating that Dreaming of You wasn't Selena's peak as an artist, while stating, Amor Prohibido is a more consistent release that it was an effective introduction, and showed why she was adored by Tejano fans alike." - run on, not explained elsewhere in the article as her peak, needs a couple of citations, little bit orish,
Top ten best-selling debuts of all time - source, explain, wikilink is much different.
Dreaming of You also became the highest ranking Spanish language album to chart Billboard Top Latin Albums.highest-ranking in what?
Behar's request for a major crossover was denied and was told that in order to sell a major record, Selena needed a bigger fan base. Source?, not in my book source nither.
During a lunch break in 1994, Selena began crying due to the pressures of the press about her album to Jose Behar. Source?
Prior to the albums recording sessions, Selena's family weren't allowed to produced songs for the album, which gave in more pressure on Selena who spoke about her feelings towards the decisions made to her family. Why? and Source
Selena's husband Chris Perez and brother who was the producer of her music, A.B. Quintanilla III told Selena that they both dislike the song.... prose and run-on
EMI Latin and EMI Records wanted to transformed Selena's musical styles from Tejano and Latin Pop to Pop and R&B. It's transform first of all not transformed, and why?
Selena was surprisingly - remove surprisingly
I don't think you need a description of the book the article is long as it is.
Artwork, use of styles is original research even though it's sourced, (with a primary source which FAC doesn't prefer) remove the section, no other album FA that I see has a description of "artwork".
Other unsourced sentences around, but I saw them in my book source so I'll add them if they become a concern in the FAC.
Alot of repeat links, remove per WP:MOS
In the months following the albums release, Selena became more known due to her songs, "Dreaming of You" and "I Could Fall in Love" had heavy airplay throughout major English language speaking radios, preferably Adult contemporary music radios run-on, prose.
the #1 and #2 spot on their "Billboard book of top 40 hits". Top 40 in what?
Many critics who review the album agreed that producers Keith Thomas and Guy Roche who envisioned Selena as a dance-pop diva similar to Pop recording artists, Janet Jackson and Mariah Carey, but with a Latin twist. Prose, which critics?
Dreaming of You became the Amazon.com's top 4 "best seller" in Latin music while the album became #22 as the "best seller" for Mexico's World music. The album is also #64 for North America's world music.[55] Not explained in the source, and amazon isn't a reliable source anyways, remove.
Personnel section is listy, remove to only the most important personnel. See other Albums FAs as an example.
That's what I have to say, I want to see the article promoted, being my mom's favorite artist (that's why I got involved in Selena in the first place) but there are way too many concerns that I can't fix. Thanks Secret ^account 23:43, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- Oh wow that's a lot. But I will work on it to the best. And thank you Secret, and my mom and family got me into her as well, isn't that funny. AJona1992 (talk) 00:02, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The source is citation 7 ("Top ten best-selling debuts), I didn't want to like add it everywhere so I always add it at the end. What do you mean by Wikilink is much different? For "DOY became the highest ranking Spanish album to chart Billboard Top Latin Album" is citation 8 and I don't know what you mean by "highest-ranking in what?" but the book says "DOY became the highest ranking Spanish language album to chart Billboard's Top Latin Albums" so the information given I only re-word it into my own words, I think I might of confused people when I did that. "Behar's request for a major crossover was denied and was told that in order to sell a major record, Selena needed a bigger fan base." This was told in the "Selena: Queen of Tejano Music" special that is featured on the tenth anniversary of Selena the movie, I need to fix that right there because it says "Selena Remembered". This statement "During a lunch break in 1994, Selena began crying due to the pressures of the press about her album to Jose Behar." is citation 11. Ok before going on I would like to discuss these I mentioned above so we can work at it easily then keep going. AJona1992 (talk) 00:14, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The wikilink doesn't explain the content Top ten best-selling debuts, and add the citations, you can multiple add the citations at the same time. With the highest ranking Spanish album, it needs to be explain further, like highest-ranking in most records sold, that sort of thing. Secret ^account 00:36, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh ok so do you think I should remove that then (the wikilink)? Hmm I guess its different here because on GA if its the same ref then its encourage to add it at the end, but ok I'll go ahead and do that. AJona1992 (talk) 00:40, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Done: I have added in more sources in the lead and production sections. Do you want me to dislik the "fastest selling album"? AJona1992 (talk) 00:49, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Another thing Be Here Now (album) has a section that talks about the artwork and it's a featured article. I wanted to keep the two sections "Artwork" and "Styles of use" so that the image for "Captive Heart" can still be here on Wikipedia and plus its on that section so others can see what I mean when they read that section. But if anyone believes that its too much or it is better to remove it then I will happily. Thanks AJona1992 (talk) 00:56, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yea but it uses a book and a reliable magazine as a source, not the album booklit. Secret ^account 01:24, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok I will be searching for more sources on that one before removing it. So is the lead and production sections ok or do I need to fix them still? AJona1992 (talk) 12:51, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: While you're fixing the above mentioned akward sentences, here's one that needs help, "were previously released prior to the album's release". Dave (talk) 16:36, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Will begin fixing. AJona1992 (talk) 14:44, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I will still work on this article but major work will begin in two days as my mentor is currently away for the moment. But I will try my best and everything else that I cannot do I will do with my mentor, thank you. AJona1992 (talk) 22:37, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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