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The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 10:39, 12 March 2018 [1].

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Hydnum repandum

Nominator(s): Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:57, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

This article is about the wood hedgehog, a cute mushroom. It was heavily improved by Sasata who has sadly retired. I reckon it was nearly FA-worthy then and have updated it with latest information and done all that I think is outstanding. I feel it is the equal of other fungus FAs - if anything arises I will fix it pronto. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:57, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Image review - Market caption could use editing, licensing is fine. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:15, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:43, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support, looks pretty comprehensive, although white fruit bodied probably needs at least one hyphen Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:59, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

thx. aha...question is.....between which two words....I take it you mean between "white" and "fruit"...? done... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:18, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Sources review: All sources in good order and of appropriate quality and reliability. Brianboulton (talk) 17:32, 19 January 2018 (UTC) )

thx/appreciated Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:18, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

From FunkMonk

• Pretty much all I know about mushrooms I know from reviewing articles here, so it will always be form a layman's point of view. Here goes. FunkMonk (talk) 07:26, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

how an article appears to laypeople is important Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:19, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

• You seem to be inconsistent in how you present the various writers mentioned throughout. Some get nationality and occupation, some only get occupation, and some get neither.

added all except two bits (Russia and Slovenia) where I felt it would be repetitive as the names are obviously Russian/Slovene. I could change to "Slovenian researchers" and take out "Slovenia" I guess... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:45, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

• I'm confused by the various mushrooms mentioned that are either presented as forms of this species, synonyms of it, or species separate from it. This goes for for example Hydnum rufescens and Hydnum albidum, whihc also have seperate articles. On Commons, these are also categorised under Hydnum repandum[2], which seems puzzling as well. So what does it all mean?

Commons is lagging behind WP...and the latest literature. The species was originally very broadly defined and a bit of a wastebasket taxon. Genetic analysis has shown a few species lay within the definition Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:19, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

• Is the very wide distribution natural?

as far as I know yes. I have no sources saying it's been introduced anywhere. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:00, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

• You are inconsistent in whether you abbreviate the scientific name or not.

now tweaked so abbreviated everywhere except at first mention and where the name is discussed in the taxonomy section (word-as-word) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:00, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

• Why do you start off by calling it hedgehog mushroom in the beginning of the edibility section? Seems strange when you return to the scientific name right after and throughout.

mixing it up and varying words...but not necessary Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:00, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support - very nicely glossed, which has been an issue with some earlier nominations. FunkMonk (talk) 10:12, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

thx Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:42, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Lingzhi

What's your rule for including books in the "Cited literature" section and give them shortened format cites? I see several books cited more than once, e.g. Arora cited 7 times. Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 15:08, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

I generally do it if pages referenced are scattered through a source. Arora all comes from two consecutive pages. I will leave as one ref if a small range of consecutive pages Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:42, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

• Inconsistent use of Location parameter (24 with; 2 without) Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 08:24, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

maybe I am tired...but I am missing the books with missing locations..? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:42, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Mmm, Schaeffer 1774 had the location listed as the publisher (I changed that so now it is missing a publisher; did you fix one?

added and yes Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 16:26, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Mabey R. Food for Free. Missing Year/Date

added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 16:26, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Seven sources older than 1970 are missing Oclc nums (not required but very helpful). These are old sources; dunno if they have oclc nums. Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 16:05, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

I've never used oclc numbers as I thought there was only a very limited period they were used before isbn. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:01, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Comments from JM

• "Molecular studies showed that the current species concept for H. repandum needed revision as there was a poor overlap between morphological and molecular species concepts." Curious tense

well, they are all past tense as the species has been revised and so now there is no poor overlap as the morphological species concept has been updated...? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:42, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Ok- perhaps I misread. When I saw "current", I thought you meant as it exists now. Perhaps it could be framed as "In 2010 [or whatever], molecular studies showed that the accepted species concept..." or something? Josh Milburn (talk) 19:52, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Ok, have changed to "have shown" (i.e. past but still current) - and both studies now have dates Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:25, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

• "Although it is missing from Central America, genetic material has been recovered from Venezuela from the tree Pakaraimaea dipterocarpacea, suggesting it had jumped hosts." I am struggling with this.

it's ectomycorrhizal. researchers found evidence that it had adapted to a new host in a new location, which is weird.... 19:42, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

I leave it to you, but I wonder whether a little further explanation would be helpful here! Josh Milburn (talk) 19:52, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Ok, added a bit. The source doesn't talk about it too much... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:31, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

• "The variety alba is known as "white wood".[20]" Presumably you mean album, here?

yes/tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:35, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

• "with a cap measuring 2–7 cm (0.8–2.8 in) wide and a stipe that is 1–3 in (2.5–7.6 cm) long" Imperial (metric)?

that's odd....switched now anyway Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:03, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

• Is repandiol worth a (red)link?

sure, redlinked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:35, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

That's all that jumps out from the article body. I made a few edits; please double-check! Josh Milburn (talk) 19:25, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

your edits look fine Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:35, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Support. On the shorter side, perhaps, but I think this is where this needs to be. A worthy topic, and some great work has gone into this. Josh Milburn (talk) 21:16, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Support I think that all of the previous reviewers have done all the hard work and I didn't see anything that needed to changed.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 14:05, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

• Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Ian Rose (talk) 10:39, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

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