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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was archived by Laser brain via FACBot (talk) 15:27, 1 April 2016 [1].

I'm Not Your Hero[edit]

Nominator(s): 和DITOREtails 02:47, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"I'm Not Your Hero" is a song by Tegan and Sara off there critically-acclaimed Heartthrob. It did moderately on the Canadian and French charts. Writers who have reviewed the article have noticed its significant amount of effort that I put into this. I feel every bit of information necessary to this topic is included, and the writing is also great. Any comments are welcomed. 和DITOREtails 02:47, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Tbhotch.
  • Infobox
•In Recorded, I think the year and studios should be separated by a semicolon.*
•Warner Bros. Records -> Warner Bros.
*I was referring to this: [[Warner Bros. Records|Warner Bros.]]. Sorry for not being more explicit. © Tbhotch™ (en-2.5). 23:22, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(*) Optional
  • Lead
•"indie rock/indie pop duo" -> MOS:SLASH
•The lyrics for the three-minute and 51-second -> Probably falls into Numbers.
•It peaked at number -> "I'm Not Your Hero" peaked at number
•their "Let's Make Things Physical" tour -> Tours are not quoted
  • "Song"
•"Song" -> "Writing and composition"; the whole article is about a song.
•"it was revealed" -> [by whom?]
•"Tegan and Sara Quin" is wikilinked after a previous usage of Tegan and Sara.
•"...I found the verses to be quintessential Sara." -> Needs a source here per BLP.
•"lasts for three minutes and 51 seconds." -> Same as lead.
•Back in my day Musicnotes.com was not a reliable source. I don't know if it still being unreliable and if it should be removed. Note I am referring to the website itself and not to the music sheet provided by the website.
  • I see you removed the whole text and source. Unfortunately, I wasn't referring to this. It was simply to remove the url. But, I have checked other FAs including "Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It)", "4 Minutes" and "Rehab (Rihanna song)". They all include the website, but at the same time they include the following line "According to the sheet music published at Musicnotes.com by [Publisher]". Also, I found this that didn't exist before: WP:USM. So, you can re-add it, but with the given format. © Tbhotch™ (en-2.5). 23:22, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
•"...found the non-traditional rhythms 'strangely reminiscent' of 'Sweet Disposition'..." is similarly written as ARL's.
  • Quoted
  • Release and reception
•"Their seventh studio album, Heartthrob, came out on January 29, 2013, and "I'm Not Your Hero" was released on October 21, 2012 as a promotional single for worldwide streaming." -> Chronological order needed.
•""I'm Your Not Hero" entered the French SNEP singles..." -> They're Canadian, why not enlist Canada first?
  • I understand what your saying, but this is because France is where the song charted first. It charted in France in 2012, and didn't start charting in Canada until 2014. Also, since you have said that chronological order is needed per above, I have just clarified this information in the article, but I'll still accept your argument if you still disagree. edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎 21:40, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
•"a total of eleven weeks" -> Consistency.
  • I just checked the group's page from Billboard.com showing their chart performances on the Canadian Hot 100, and oddly enough, the source now saids the song chart3e for only one week when it peaked at number 58, even though it had debuted on the chart of number 82 five weeks before without leaving once during those five weeks. This must have been an error of the source I initially used. I have replaced this source with a much more accurate Billboard.biz search showing the song lasted 13 weeks. edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎 21:40, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
*OK, but I was referring to the eleven (now thirteen) spelled out. Also, the external link is now wrongly written. © Tbhotch™ (en-2.5). 23:22, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is a technical issue. The only solution is to include this website alone: [2]. Later include a "|id=" guiding the reader the instructions they must follow to arrive to the information. © Tbhotch™ (en-2.5). 05:19, 5 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • References
•teganandsara.com. -> Tegan and Sara Official Website.
•Warner Bros. (Ref. 4) -> They refer to as "The Live Room powered by Warner Music"; also a "Official YouTube Channel" could be added.
•If Musicnotes.com link is kept, the message "Oops! The item you have requested, catalog # MN0125416, is currently unavailable." appears.
•MTV Buzzworthy. -> I think it is unitaliziced.
•Paste's archive website is not working as desired.
•"Tegan and Sara Official YouTube Channel." -> If you add a link for YT before, don't forget to remove this one.
•iTunes Store (GB). -> iTunes Store (GB) or iTunes Store (Great Britain).
•"Billboard. Prometheus Global Media" (Ref. 18) -> "Billboard. Prometheus Global Media"
•Ref. 19 displays an error message.
•MTV Hive. -> Same as Buzzworthy.
•Alter The Press! -> In the main text it appears as "Alter The Press!"; it should be consistent.
  • External sites
•"Tegan and Sara official site" -> I don't see how it is relevant here.
  • Media (Images, etc.)
•File:Tegan-and-Sara-I'm-Not-Your-Hero.jpg -> IMO, the file is PD. Warner Bros. logo was found to be PD, according to [Commons:Deletion requests/File:Warner Channel.svg Commons]. While I do not agree with that result, the logo here is similar to that of WB TV. If the cover is to be kept here as NFC, it has to be reduced to 300px x 300px. Otherwise, you can bring this to WP:NFCR to determinate its status.
I forgot this, it also needs an online link. © Tbhotch™ (en-2.5). 23:22, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Added edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎 00:08, 5 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
•File:SaraQuin.JPG seems OK. Not necessarily but, a {{Personality Rights}} (Commons only) can be added to the picture.
•Optional as well, but a sample of the song can be added as well, considering it can have value to the article.
  • Other
•SaraQuin.JPG is missing an ALT description.

These are all the issues I could find. Good work. © Tbhotch™ (en-2.5). 04:28, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Famous Hobo

I'll take a look at this, in exchange for a peer review of "Help Is on the Way"

Lead

  • "I'm Not Your Hero" is a song by Canadian indie rock and indie pop duo Tegan and Sara. This is more of a personal preference, but is it possible to list just one genre? While artists can obviously vary in their musical style, they usually stay within one overarching genre, like rock or pop. From a quick listen to the actual song, it sounds more pop than rock. Besides, their About page says they bridge the pop and indie worlds. You can keep the sentence as is however, if you perfer.
  • Reviews were mostly positive upon release, with critics praising the songwriting and composition that is comparable to the works of Santigold, Fleetwood Mac and The Temper Trap. The second half of the sentence is worded awkwardly, try "with critics praising the songwriting, and comparing composition to that of Santigold, Fleetwood Mac and The Temper Trap." Also, you need to link all three artists/bands.

Production and composition

  • In November 2011, it was revealed on Tegan and Sara's official website that they were writing new material for their seventh studio album, with Tegan saying that "[we] are back in our home studios working away at more songs. Write Tegan's last name, Tegan Quinn.
  • The album was titled Heartthrob and recorded between February and May 2012. "I'm Not Your Hero" was written and performed by Tegan and Sara Quin. While it seems obvious, you should mention that "I'm Not Your Hero" was written for Heartthrob, because as it stands now, it talks about the album and the song as if they're unrelated.
  • ...while The A.V. Club's Annie Zaleski noted it to be in the style of British-American rock band Fleetwood Mac. Italicize The A.V. Club

Release and reception

  • The song is from their seventh studio album, Heartthrob, which came out on January 29, 2013. This information is already mentioned in the opening paragraph of Production and composition.
  • A Punknews.org staff member wrote the song "blows out its chorus rather impressively from the verses with some neat, alternated instrumentation." Why not just simply say "Bryne Yancey of Punknews.org..."
  • "I'm Not Your Hero"'s first chart appearance was at number 157 on the French SNEP singles chart, upon the release of Heartthrob. It didn't reach 157 until almost a month after the album release, so don't say upon the release. Simply say when it reached the position, like you do with the Canadian charts.

Live performances

  • This section feels very listy. Almost every mention of a new performance says "They performed" or "they have performed". You might want to reword the section.

Personnel and credits

  • Nothing to report on here

Charts

References

  • Refs 12 and 31 are dead, though there appears to be archived versions (I can't confirm, archive.org has been acting up lately on my laptop).
  • In Ref 16, the reviewer doesn't specifically say that "I'm Not Your Hero" has refreshingly insightful lyrics, just that the album does, with the next sentence starting with I'm Not Your Hero.
  • Ref 17 is missing the last name
    • There's just one problem with that. The link didn't list a "Last name", it just credits the writer as "Bryne". edtiorEهեইдအ😎 06:40, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Refs 21 through 26 need {{subscription required}}
  • To keep in line with the other refs, Ref 28 needs an archiveurl

External links

That's all I could see, fix the issues and you've got yourself a support. Nice article all around. Famous Hobo (talk) 04:03, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, looks like everything has been taken care of (or at least what I could see. If there is still some things you still have to do, then disregard this message until it's completed). I made a small edit to the article, adding in the last name to the Punknews.org ref. Anyway, I can now give this a Support. Also, I'm not sure if this counts as a source review, but I went through all the refs (except for ref 3), and they're all faithful to the source. BTW, just gonna remind you of the little offer I threw out. Sorry to keep pressing, don't feel that your obligated to do it . Famous Hobo (talk) 15:18, 24 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - The prose is not up to FA standard. There are fused participles "with critics praising", "with Tegan saying", redundancy, "where it is listed as the fourth track" and clunky prose throughout. It needs a radical copy-edit. Graham Beards (talk) 19:08, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

PS. I suggest the nominator reads this. Graham Beards (talk) 23:53, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinator note: After more than two months, consensus to promote has not developed. Therefore, I will be archiving the nomination. --Laser brain (talk) 15:27, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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