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The article was not promoted by GrahamColm 08:26, 4 August 2012 [1].

Independiente (Ricardo Arjona album)[edit]

Nominator(s): —Hahc 21 03:42, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured article because it has been peer reviewed, it's now a GA and i think it is now up to FAC. —Hahc 21 03:42, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments: I haven't read the whole article, but it seems like there are a few issues with prose and linking. (The FA prose standards are often difficult to reach, even for experienced users.) I suggest having someone give it a thorough copyedit. I can recommend a few people if you have trouble finding help.
The article seems pretty overlinked, probably want to cut out a number of them. A number of repeated wikilinks, as well.
I saw "and number one con the Billboard Latin Pop Songs." at a glance, probably should recheck the article for other typos.
"It was filmed on the Universal Studios in Los Angeles" & " On Buenos Aires, it became the most attended show ever for any artist on the Velez Stadium" I think you're misusing "On" here.
"is protagonized by himself and his son Ricardo Arjona Jr." I'm not sure "protagonized" is a word.
"Natalie Torres from newspaper Dia a Dia commented that" This reads awkwardly, should probably rephrase it.
"In Guatemala City, Arjona became the first artist ever" There's no need for "ever" here, the meaning is clear without it. I think you'd benefit from Tony's exercises on the subject.
Also, I think you should provide a translation for foreign language reference titles, there's a "|trans_title=" parameter in the citation template, I think. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:49, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. I think i have checked the article and fixed all above as well as other nuances i encountered. I read Tony's excercises and they helped me a lot. Thanks. —Hahc 21 16:57, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, talking about the trans_title, i'm not using {{cite web}} on most references, so i don't know where exactly to put the translated title. Could you bring some help? —Hahc 21 17:07, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, that's a good question, this is an mimics the appearance of the trans title in the template, not sure if there's a better way to do it though. Nikkimaria could probably give you better advice though. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:40, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I will do it. Regards. —Hahc 21 19:08, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Added translated titles :). Regards. —Hahc 21 19:39, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose with comments,

I agree with Mark Arsten's comments on this article needing an experienced copyeditor
There are too many instances with "album", needs a variety (recording, it, etc)
I don't believe I have seen any FA album article that has "the singer" in its content
When was Poquita Ropa and his other albums mentioned in the lead released? The year should be placed in parentheses
"Commercially and critically successful" okay you have mentioned the album's peak positions which supports this claim, however, I see no mention from the media about it in the lead. What did they say about it? According to the lead it was a critically positive album however there are only two commentary reviews which gives a more mixed response and not a positive one. You also need to turn those reviews into your own words and not directly copy and past them in the critical reception section
What is also alarming is the release date of the album, being October 4, 2011. I'm pretty sure this era is not even finish and the fourth single was just released two weeks ago. This article cannot be passed because of continuous additions of peak positions, sales and commentary reviews which I now understand why there are only two reviewers.
"It also topped for ten non-consecutive weeks the Latin Pop Albums chart" ---> is missing a word
"It is his fifth consecutive album to chart on the Billboard 200." ---> and what was that position?
"It is also his fourth album to chart in Spain." ---> as per above
"and on several countries on Latin America." ---> typo found
"Second single "Fuiste Tú"" ---> not a good way to open this sentence
The following sentence is not well written
And the last sentence of the lead is just confusing to readers. It says "embarked on another world tour" so there are more than one? Which ones and why did he embark on two or more world tours? The "which he titled the" is not even necessary. There a great examples of FA albums please pick one and use one as a model.

Actually, i don't exactly know how many tours he has done. So, i write "another" because putting a number is misleading and incorrect.

I would like to change my oppose to a support but currently at this state the article is not written well enough for FA status. Also, this era is not even finished, give another year before nominating this article again. Best, Jona yo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 23:10, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

First, some things i pointed out to you in the Poquita Ropa GAN and seems i have to remind you: This is a latin album, so, no more reviews will be available, no more peak positions will be added, it is virtually imposible to expand the article further (with exception of the Singles subsection). So, "This article cannot be passed because of continuous additions of peak positions, sales and commentary reviews which I now understand why there are only two reviewers" is completely pointless. Notwithstanding, i tahnk you for commenting, i will ask another copyedit on the article to check prose issues. —Hahc 21 23:42, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

- Not exactly. It could receive an award or a nomination from the upcoming Latin Grammy awards, the Billboard Latin music awards, or Premios Oye! and whatnot. This is because the album was released late last year so it would be eligible for these awards. In fact, Arjona received seven nominations at the 2012 Juventud awards which is not included in the article. Aside from that, I found on the CAPIF mirror site that the album reached #1 on the album charts on the week of October 9, 2011 so that should definitely be included. Also there's the singles that might need to be updated. "Te Quiero" was just released so the chart peak position can change at any time. The pictures, including the album cover, need alt texts (they're required for FAC). The article prose isn't up to FAC quality either. For example: "Arjona wrote the song for his mother, Noemí Morales,[12] who told him she didn't like it because it make her cry" is grammatically incorrect. It should be ""Arjona wrote the song for his mother, Noemí Morales,[12] who told him she didn't like the song because it makes her cry". So all in all, it can be expanded. Not alot right now as you say. Of course, the lack of media coverage available from the English sources are baffling. I'm going to assume that you searched for the reviews in Spanish as well, correct? If so, the critic information in the lead should be rewritten to just Allmusic's review. Erick (talk) 21:09, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

@Hahc21 it does not matter if this is a Latin album or a Russian album, there are commentary reviews out there. This article was just released so of course there's not going to be any right now besides Allmusic. Since you are arguing about "Latin albums not getting reviews" well what about Enamorada de Ti? It was released this year in March and has over 20-50 reviews, but I understand that the album was brought to a more wider release because of it having duets with American artists, nonetheless try not to criticize Latin albums for not having enough reviews. It just take time. "no more peak positions will be added" really? Please look at Eric's response, he just found one within minutes of his review and you are arguing about no peak positions? lolz Like I said, you could really benefit from a model article take Romances for instance. A model article could guide you, I'm pretty sure you can cleanup the prose issue though not up to FA quality but enough that other editors will give it a try than just simply opposing and complaining about the prose. Best, Jona ^{talk to me} 02:37, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

To be fair, even I couldn't find reviews for this album in Spanish (the lack of Spanish-language music reviews sites is really frustrating). And also, though Romances is FA, one reviewer commented the low number of review and that it was "US centric". Plus the Argentine albums chart mirror site was found after the article was GA. But as you say, it's still early because information can change as the year progresses. @Hahc21, your best bet would be to look for Spanish magazines at this point if not even Spanish-language reviews can be found. I am going to go look for reviews for other Arjona albums just for curiosity sake. Erick (talk) 03:08, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have tried but the only thing i could find is a buch of praise for Arjona without essential information over the album's content or a formal review by a music joirnalist. Seems like all is gossip and i do't want that to be on the article. Also, seems like Billboard does not have a review; i will check again. For the prose issues, i thought it was ready after one Peer review, but it seems like i was wrong. Regards. —Hahc 21 22:14, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Prose really needs work. From the first sentence: "Independiente (English: Independent) is the thirteenth studio album released by Guatemalan singer-songwriter Ricardo Arjona on 4 October 2011." If I were to take this at face value it would meen he released at least 13 albums on 4 October 2011. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:40, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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