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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Ian Rose 03:46, 15 August 2014 [1].


Katsudō Shashin[edit]

Nominator(s): Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 10:27, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It'll take you longer to read this blurb than it will to watch this film—the oldest surviving example of Japanese animation, from possibly as early as 1907. Actually a printed filmstrip fastened together at the ends to be viewed endlessly, I suppose it may qualify as both the shortest and longest Japanese film. The depth of characterization and subtely of the intricate plot make the film a rewarding experience, especially upon re-viewing, but no more so than your inevitable review will be of this most special Candidate. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 10:27, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments from the unfathomably vexed Crisco 1492
    • Katsudō Shashin (活動写真?, Moving Picture) ... who writes "活動写真" (katsudō shashin, or "moving picture"), - Do we really need the translation twice in the opening paragraph?
    • whose ends - I don't think 35mm film is a person
      • We've disagreed about inanimate whose before. It'll take considerable peer pressure for me to budge from this. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 11:34, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
        • Don't budge, "whose ends" is fine. - Dank (push to talk) 20:01, 13 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • the oldest to survive is Hanawa Hekonai meitō no maki - from what year?
    • Live-action films for these devices were expensive to make; possibly as early as 1898 animated films for these devices were on sale, and could be fastened in loops for continuous viewing. - Don't think these two are related enough for a semi-colon
    • an old Kyoto family - are they named?
    • Any other critical reception? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:47, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      • A number of short articles proclaiming the discovery, but none of them fall under the what you could call "critical reception". The English ones can't even get their facts straight ( a lot of claims that it was hand-drawn, when the briefest peak at the severely off-register red dispells that idea). I'd be thrilled if anything else interesting turned up. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 11:34, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Our article on Jun'ichi Kouchi has him as a possible creator for the film. Can we source this? Or other speculation?
      • Added by an IP 30 July (two days ago) without a source. Given it predates Kouchi's work by up to a decade, and the styles are drastically different, I'm calling BS until someone can provide a source. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 11:34, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

Source review - spotchecks not done


Support I only have two comments, and they're so minimal that I don't even care if you fix them or not.

  • Any reason two captions have "c. 1907"? It seems like only one is needed.
    • I removed both, since they're both redundant and the actual date isn't known. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 02:58, 3 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • An IMDB external link would be nice [2]

Taylor Trescott - my talk + my edits 00:56, 3 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • This article is good, but not flawless. First of all, as per Litten's most recent research explicitly states it " was originally a 35mm celluloid loop film with Edison perforation (it has now shrunk to 33,5mm)" - This means the Clements' source is actually incorrect in the identification - and I doubt that Clements every examined the film in person - so its not likely his mistake. He may be an apologist, but its not fair to label it his error. Though I think the fact that the production was decidedly amateur (according to Litten) that it should be added to the "creator unknown" sentence because it is a well-educated observation. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 17:09, 7 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • The first point has gone over my head—what are you asking me to change? For the second point, I don't see Litten calling the film "decidedly amateur", but rather low-quality, which Matsumoto says suggests it was from a smaller company. I've added that to the article. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 21:44, 7 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Gladly support. It's nice to see a short article getting credit for it's detail all the same. I made a small change (Now lost → Now lost), which you're welcome to undo, it just came across a little odd to me. Otherwise, this article is well-researched, informative, and very well-written. Including the full film is a very nice touch. Excellent work! Sock (tock talk) 12:13, 8 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support on prose per standard disclaimer. As always, feel free to revert my copyediting. These are my edits. - Dank (push to talk) 20:18, 13 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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