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The article was not promoted by User:SandyGeorgia 02:18, 28 September 2008 [1].

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New York State Route 28N

Nominator(s): Mitch32^(UP)

I'm nominating this article for featured article because 1) This article has been through lots since its Good article nomination, and is now up to standards brought in Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/New York State Route 373. Route 28N will eventually be the beneficiary as hopefully an FA on three featured topics (for the three counties it crosses). 2) After a good break from FACing, I feel it is time to give it another shot, especially that I screwed up and got depressed from the last one. 3) For anyone concerning the reliability of maps: see this discussion on WT:NOR: [2]. Anyway, I'm open to new ideas, and anything beneficial would help. Mitch32^(UP) 23:40, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

• Comments
• The route, 50.95 miles (82.00 km) long, is a northerly alternate to NY 28 between both locations. An alternate what?

• Done

• It helped the iron ore industry in Newcomb and the lumber industry in Minerva and spurred population growth. In the lead but not in the article.

• Done

• NY 28N is the northernmost state route to cross the Hudson River. Again...

• Done

• County Route 84 does eventually parallel to the nearby north of 28N, but this slowly begins to change as the main highway begins to progress southward. What does 84 parallel?

• Done

• Route 28N, after leaving Minerva, passes Moxham Mountain, a 2,200-foot (670 m) peak, and eventually the Hudson River. The route crosses the river. It doesn't pass it.

–Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 23:48, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

• Done - Everything has been solved.Mitch32^(UP) 00:03, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

• Comments by jimfbleak just units for now

• 40-mile (64 km) etc why are miles, feet etc hyphenated, but not metric? I don't think the hyphens are MoS, but inconsistent even if they are. jimfbleak (talk) 07:08, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Comments—1a and 1b

• Jim, hyphen required when the unit is spelt out, and no hyphen when abbreviated.

Ah, I checked against the New York State Route 373 FA, didn't register that in that article the abbreviation was used throughout. Struck comment jimfbleak (talk) 15:01, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

• While on miles, this conversion can't possibly be correct: "50.95 miles (82.00 km)"—It's a factor of 1.6. Who's a dummy.

"It helped the iron ore industry in Newcomb and the lumber industry in Minerva and spurred population growth." Not comfortable with "helped"; can you be more specific by saying, presumably, that it was the enabling transport route for, or some such. I don't have the knowledge to write it.

• "... Blue Mountain. Blue Mountain ...". Reorganise the boundaries between the sentences to avoid, using "... Mountain, one of the ...".
• "This is the route traveled by Theodore Roosevelt, who was then the Vice President of the United States, on September 10, 1901." --> "This was the route traveled on September 10, 1901 by Theodore Roosevelt, then Vice President of the United States."?

It has potential, but already the top shows that the prose could do with careful scrutiny throughout. A little disappointed in the shortness. Nothing more about the landscape, geography, geology, towns? More about the economic impact, since you titillate us with info in the lead about its role for two industries. Tony (talk) 14:03, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

All done, Tony - I hope you enjoy it. :) - Mitch32^(UP) 19:36, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

• Maybe I'm being dumb, but why does the highlighted blue in the Google map (ref 3) look completely different in shape to the highlighted red in the infobox map? Tony (talk) 12:00, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

• That's a Firefox-Google glitch. I have replaced Google with some NYSDOT/USGS topos.Mitch32^(UP) 22:19, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 19:22, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Support - I see no major issues with this article. Good job Adam. --Admrboltz (talk) 15:55, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

• Weak oppose for now.
  • Per WP:MOSQUOTE, you shouldn't offset short quotations (such as the one by Smith in the early history section). These should instead be part of the paragraph.
  • Either this is a mistake or I'm confused: "The had-grown iron ore industry "
  • Is it really necessary to go into so much detail on Minerva and Newcomb and their industries? I agree that it is necessary to know that there was an iron ore industry and that it did decline in Newcomb, but I think the current section goes into too much detail.
  • I suspect this is road jargon. I'm not sure what it means: "was originally designated, but not signed, "

• • This means the road was given a route number on paper but no actual signs on the road were put up at the time. --Polaron | Talk 15:26, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
    • Perhaps this information could be included in a footnote? Karanacs (talk) 15:49, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

• Done. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 15:41, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

• • Is there nothing interesting about the history between 1919 and now?

Nope, this is the case with many of the highways in NY.Mitch32^(UP) 21:11, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

• • The Bridge rehabilitation section needs work on the prose. The first three sentences begin "Plans....The plan...With plans..." It seems very awkward to me.

Karanacs (talk) 15:15, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Done with everything. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 15:30, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

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