Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Rebbie Jackson/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by SandyGeorgia 16:40, 2 December 2009 [1].

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Rebbie Jackson

Nominator(s): Pyrrhus16 17:29, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

• Featured article candidates/Rebbie Jackson/archive1
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I would like to present this article on one of the lesser known members of the Jackson family: Rebbie. Sadly, the life of Rebbie, a talented singer in her own right, is not as well documented as those of her more famous siblings such as La Toya, Janet and Michael. Nevertheless, I feel that this article is comprehensive and meets all of the FA criteria. Pyrrhus16 17:29, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Comments The technical aspects look good: no dab links or dead external links, the one image has alt text with no obvious problems, and dates throughout the article and refs are consistent Month Day, Year. --an odd name 21:52, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Pyrrhus16 22:58, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Comment Grammar. One does not usually have a "hiatus from..." something. The expression is usually a "hiatus in " something. Following a 10-year hiatus from the music industry... would be better expressed as Following a 10-year hiatus in her musical career... Amandajm (talk) 11:01, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Done. Thanks. Pyrrhus16 14:22, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Image review - Sole image checks out. Awadewit (talk) 03:03, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Support Source fine. Great little article. Nicely researched and written. RB88 (T) 20:03, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Comments

• It should be without question that the article is a biography. Therefore having a second level heading saying biography is rather redundant.

• Changed to "life and career", which is inline with other FA music biographies such as Janet Jackson and Michael Jackson.

• The third level sections underneath should become second level sections.

• I'm against changing them to second level headers unless there is something about it in the MOS; I feel it is a more attractive structuring and is inline with other FA music biographies.

• Dates in the section line are also unneeded. Each section does a good job of explaining the time period.

• Like above, I'm against removing the dates. I feel that they are needed to allow a reader to pinpoint information from an exact year from looking solely at the TOC.

• Author notes need some cleaning up. It should be: Taraborrelli (2004), pp. 115–117. and so forth for the other authors. --Brad (talk) 02:57, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

• Done. Thanks for your comments. Pyrrhus16 09:57, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

• Support I have been used to writing articles on non-human subjects so your sectioning makes much more sense in a biography. --Brad (talk) 09:18, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose - Not quite sure this is ready yet. (1a)
• It also featured contributions from her children: daughters Yashi and Stacee, and son Austin. - this would be better without the colon
• Though Jackson had taken clarinet, piano and dance lessons earlier in life, she had no interest in a music career.[4][5] - I think you should put "at that time" in the last clause. Earlier in life should be replaced with childhood.
• The family's drama-filled home on Jackson Street also served as a motivator for the young woman; she wanted to escape from it. - rewrite this sentence plz
• Having the last word on the matter, Joseph refused to give his daughter away.[6] - his daughter is not an object...
• Brown and Jackson would go on to have three children together; daughters Stacee and Yashi, and son Austin.[7] - semicolon inappropriate here
• Due to ratings success, more episodes were ordered in January 1977. - critical success?

• I've listed the ones I noticed from a relatively short (10 minutes) readover here. Please resolve them so we can progress with this article's improvement. My main concern is that the prose is not yet there, because it has some issues I've noticed. But since the prose is still pretty good, I've only opposed weakly. Look forward to improvements! ceranthor 02:16, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Done all of the above. Pyrrhus16 09:22, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose - Upgraded to oppose because of this. I really think this has potential to be a great article, but there's nothing here really in terms of musical reception. I really hate to oppose but I have to at this time. It's just not comprehensive enough. If you could sift through those sources and add information as you go along, the article will steadily improve and FA status will come. Best, ceranthor 23:27, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Oppose by karanacs. I found this an interesting article - I was unfamiliar with Rebbie Jackson. I don't think the article is ready for FA, though. The prose needs a great deal of polishing (a few examples are listed below, but the whole thing needs some work), I am a little concerned with the comprehensiveness, and I think there is too much of an emphasis on details that don't really belong here.

• Why is her faith highlighted in the second sentence of the lead? The fact that she was raised as a Jehovah's Witness seems much, much less important than the fact that she is a member of the Jackson family.

• Removed from the lead.

• It's going to be tricky in this article to make sure that readers understand which "Jackson" we are referring to. In the sentence The album featured songs written by Smokey Robinson, Prince and her younger brother Michael, whose contribution (the title track "Centipede") became Jackson's most successful single release it's not clear whether Jackson is Rebbie or Michael, and if this is referring to Rebbie's most successful single as an artist or Michaels' most successful as a songwriter. There are other potentially confusing instances like this.

• Clarified by changing "Jackson" to "Rebbie", here and in several other places in the article.

• Why does the lead mention her children and husband? They aren't notable in their own right and thus probably don't need to be mentioned here.

• Removed the names of her children, but kept her husband as a large section is about their marriage.

• I don't think Life and career should be a separate section; I'd move all of those subsections out to be main sections.

• The structure of the article is inline with most other FA music biographies. I would be against changing the structure if it's just a matter of preference.

• Early life - it is not necessary to mention which siblings are libing and which are deceased. This may end up out of sync if editors don't know to come here and change it here as well.

• Altered the sentence.

• Are the details of the Jehovah's Witness faith necessary here? I don't think we need to mention about not celebrating some occasions.

• Removed the part about not celebrating certain occasions.

• Why do we need to know that her husband is also a Jehovah's Witness? Their faith is not really mentioned in any way as having impacted her career or other aspects of her family life.

• Removed mention of him being a JW.

• There are punctuation issues in the article. For example, three children together daughters Stacee and Yashi, and son Austin. is missing something - either a comma, colon, or dash

• Added a colon.

• The prose needs a bit of work. There is some passive voice that should be fixed to active. For example "family's drama-filled home on Jackson Street also served as a motivator for the young woman, who wanted leave it" (note that this sentence is also missing a word)

• Changed the sentence.

• Some of the prose is a bit sensational - "Jackson's family faced a crisis when " she decided to get married. That doesn't seem like much of a crisis. An argument, yes, but not a crisis.

• Changed the sentence.

• The section 1968-1973 seems to focus almost entirely on 1968. Were the three children born in the next few years? Did anything else happen?

• There is no further information on anything else happening during this period, and there are no sourcable dates of birth for the children.

• Is there any information on what changed Rebbie's mind about pursuing a music career?

• I couldn't find any published information on what caused her to change her mind.

• What are " residency performances"? Was Rebbie considered filler too? If so, specify this.

• Removed "residency" and specified that Rebbie was filler as well.

• The initial run of the 30-minute program was four weeks -- this sentence doesn't make sense. A "30-minute program" can't run for "four weeks"; A series is more than a single 30-minute episode. Please be more specific.

• Changed to The initial series run of the 30-minute programs was four weeks. Not sure if this is any better or not.

• Are there any details about Rebbie's particular contribution to the TV show?

• There are no sources that explicitly state her activities on the show.

• If there was critical success of the TV show, can we get some quotes or more information? How was Rebbie in particular received?

• Changed to "ratings success", which is what the source states. I don't believe there are any comments on how Rebbie was received - very little information has been published about her.

• "The Jacksons motivated her to become a professional recording artist, and the show's producer encouraged her to sing" - Is this referring to the TV show (in that case need italics) or the band by the same name?

• Italicised.

• There is a disconnect between the last paragraph of 1974-1983 ("stalled her music career") and the first paragraph of 1984-1985 ("following years of preparation")

• Added "for a short time" to the end of "stalled her music carrer".

• I don't think that the callout quote in 1984-1985 should be formatted in quite that way. Because this is an encyclopedia and not a magazine article, this probably ought to be better tied into the text.

• Integrated the quote into the text.

• Her brother produced Reaction - which brother?

• Noted that it was Tito.

• Did she do anything noteworthy during her hiatus from music? Do we know why she took a hiatus?

• Added a note that she performed during the break from releasing music.

• There should likely not be a separate section for Michael's death in this article. While some of the information may be useful to include, overall to me it reads more like trivia.

• Removed the section.

• Many FAs of artists have an "artistry" section which lists the influences, themes/genre, and style of the recordings. This article covers the technical aspects of the albums (who produced it, when was it released), but does not really delve into any of the more interpretive stuff. Are their reviews or other analyses of her albums that could be made into an artistry section?

Karanacs (talk) 19:49, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

• There is very little published on Rebbie at all, and I have found nothing on her themes or styles of recordings. Quite sad, considering that one can write novels on the artistry of Janet and Michael. Thank you for your comments. Pyrrhus16 22:34, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

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