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Roman-Spartan War

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Self nom. A new article I only started it last month on a very obscure topic with limited primary sources and secondary sources (as can be seen). I think this article meets the FA criteria. Kyriakos 07:10, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

An overhaul of the article had started several days ago. When I checked recently there were still some of the issues mentioned in the GA review which needed to be fixed. The FA request after the failed GA review (without solving all issues) came very much as a strange surprise. Wandalstouring 11:55, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose
((a)”Well written" means that the prose is compelling, even brilliant.
No, it’s only passable. And it does have spelling mistakes.
I went over the article with spell check.
(b)"Comprehensive" means that the article does not neglect major facts and details.
No. Rome went to war but I’m not entirely sure why. What relationship did Rome have with the Aechean League?
Done I send how they were involved with each other.Kyriakos 00:57, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
What was Rome’s foreign policy? Imperialism?
What was Rome's interest in the region?
In other words what is the background to all this – at the moment I’m not clear of the history.
c) "Factually accurate" Possibly, but it is too heavily reliant on Livy. It needs more anaylsis and use of modern sources Michael Crawford perhaps. Raymond Palmer 00:15, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sources. T.R.S. Broughton, Magistrates of the Roman Republic, vol. 1, p. 341 lists the sources for Flamininus' proconsulship in 195 as: SIG 592; Liv. 34.22-41; Plut. Flam. 13.1-3; Justin. 31.3.1; Eutrop. 4.2; Auct. Vir. Ill. 51; Oros. 4. 20.2; Zon. 9.18. I think you have to add at least the Plutarch and SIG (= Sylloge Inscriptionum Graecarum). The Gruen reference above will be helpful with the context that Raymond Palmer is asking for. Semperf 01:01, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Further comment. I want to endorse some of Palmer's suggestions. I think we've got a good structure here, with good ancient referencing. But the facts need a little more interpretation. And the writing could be improved. Semperf 02:14, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Livy too heavily depended upon.
  • Article doesn't compare to current FA in the category of war. Algerian Civil War was the example I found. Of course less information may be available due to the historical nature of the article).
  • Article failed GA status (possibly at quite an earlier stage but I was under the impression that the article was quite young) and so would be better suited being put through that again (I know not an argument per se but I wanted to point it out). Ciraric 22:47, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The article still needs work, imo, to be a GA. Some of it is done well, but it is just too hard to follow, this sounds like a group of participants sitting around and discussing the war in a pub, and I'm the barkeep catching bits and pieces. The lead section really should put the whole thing into an historical context--was this one of many wars? the only one involving these combatants, did it spread over wider areas than other wars? how many years or ceasars or generals did it consume? I love reading Military History Quarterly, because no matter the topic, whether I've never even heard of the nations involved, I get set down there on the battlefield, in that era, with those weapons of war, and those commanders, fighting for that great ideal of that nation in that dawn--no matter how many participants, no matter how confusing and lengthy the prelude to this battle. The article should read entirely by itself, and this doesn't. Please include the English after the Latin, but don't exclude the Latin--I love to see it used where it belongs. KP Botany 02:03, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as per the above users, and, my failing of this article only a few weeks ago for GA; I believe this article is poorly worded, with limited context for readers unfamiliar with the content/conflict. The lead does not function as such (as outlined in WP:LEAD). The range of sources is also very, very limited, with a particular over-reliance on Livy. Jhamez84 00:59, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment As another semi-involved editor, I also think it needs more work, especially in the areas of prose and references. This nomination was, perhaps, a bit premature. We should get it approved as a GA first, then return here once the serious issues have been addressed.--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 02:32, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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