Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Suburbs of Johannesburg/archive3
Self-nom. I have worked extremely hard on this article and had great assistance from several other people. After User:NicholasTurnbull finished helping me slave away with the map, I feel comfortable nominating this article for FAC. It is an extremely comprehensive look at the suburbs of the city of Johannesburg, South Africa, itself already a featured article. I have tried to look at both the social and economic importance of all the different areas of the city. Previous nomination can be seen here. Thank you! Páll (Die pienk olifant) 16:34, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
- Support. Well-written, well-illustrated, and well-referenced, and I think it gives a good level of detail for an overview article. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 21:42, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
- Support for the same reasons as Mindspillage. Nice job!--Bcrowell 23:51, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
- Support for the same reasons 82.172.247.104 12:01, 23 August 2005 (UTC) --- Oops, forgot to log in Djadek 12:02, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
- Object. No significant discussion of governance or governmental structures. I don't understand why there are separate articles on the city, its "regions," and its "suburbs." Seem to be 3 articles on the same general subject. If the details would overwhelm a single article, should be broken down into individual articles on individual regions or suburbs, not 3 different overviews. Monicasdude 13:52, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
- Because the significant discussion lives at the appropriate place, Government of Johannesburg. And no, the city, its regions, and its suburbs are completely independent entities. Its like asking why there should be an aritlce on New York City, on the boroughs of New York, and the different neighbourhoods of New York. They're related, but completely independent of each other so far as articles on Wikipedia are concerned. Páll (Die pienk olifant) 16:47, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
- But there aren't separate articles on New York City, boroughs of NYC, and neighborhoods of NYC. There may be heirarchies of articles like NYC > Manhattan > Greenwich Village. But Johannesburg isn't part of a heirarchy; it's just part of a set of overlapping overviews. And if the suburbs and regions are as distinct as you say, there should be articles on Govt of suburbs of JBrg and Govt of regions of Jburg. The article you cite doesn't explain how subdivisions of Jbrg are governed; it just says the subdivisions have "operational responsiblity for some govtal functions. Monicasdude 17:03, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
- If there is nothing there, its just for the fact that it hasn't yet been written. I don't see these articles as overlapping in any way. And there are articles on the government of Regions of Johannesburg, see Regions of Johannesburg. That articles discusses the government structure of the regions. The reason there is no articles on the government of the suburbs is because there is none, although a few suburbs such as the City Centre have elected to create Ambassadors to the region that are neither police officers nor tourist officials. Páll (Die pienk olifant) 17:12, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
- But there aren't separate articles on New York City, boroughs of NYC, and neighborhoods of NYC. There may be heirarchies of articles like NYC > Manhattan > Greenwich Village. But Johannesburg isn't part of a heirarchy; it's just part of a set of overlapping overviews. And if the suburbs and regions are as distinct as you say, there should be articles on Govt of suburbs of JBrg and Govt of regions of Jburg. The article you cite doesn't explain how subdivisions of Jbrg are governed; it just says the subdivisions have "operational responsiblity for some govtal functions. Monicasdude 17:03, 24 August 2005 (UTC)