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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by Dabomb87 03:13, 15 June 2009 [1].

TNA X Division Championship[edit]

Nominator(s): --WillC 08:11, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I am nominating this for featured article because... I feel it passes the criteria mostly and believe it should at least be given a try at becoming an FA. It just passed its GA review a day or two ago so it has been edited heavily with a few disagreements which have been resolved. Just thought to make that clear. All comments will be taken care of quickly.WillC 08:11, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I also forgot to mention a few things. After an extensive expansion from this to this and a GA review I believe it is ready for it to become an FA. Considering I rewrote the entire article I didn't contact any other contributors. I hope that is okay? I hope you consider the X Division section with the note in good faith. There aren't any written sources that I'm aware of at the moment but any I find while I read reports I'll add quickly.--WillC 10:52, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Attention: I'm sorry about the current disagreements between me an another editor. It is disrupting the stability of the article I know. So please do not let that effect your decision in the end. I'm in the process of trying to stop this and instead just have a discussion.--WillC 02:36, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keeping that in mind, can you resolve the citation needed tag in the "X Division" section? Dabomb87 (talk) 14:36, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • I'm in the process of trying to finish that. The user involved doesn't believe anything covers it and anything I add is removed like that. Trying to avoid an edit war. It is difficult though.--WillC 23:47, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Needs a bit of work on the writing.

  • Does the MoS say not to put quotes in italic face just because they're quotes?
    • Not sure, I did it because it was a direct quote and to set it apart. I haven't read it fully.--WillC 11:12, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "This match has become wildly successful in TNA"—"wildly" is technically known as an interpersonal item (i.e., the writer's subjective opinion).
  • "To date this match has only been used to determine the number one contender to the TNA X Division Championship." Is "To date," one of those temporal expressions that will date? See Vague terms, I think it is, in MoS. "As of ...".
    • Fixed. Wrote about two hours ago during when I was trying to make everything seem good. Should have changed it to "As of" and include the templates, which I just did.--WillC 11:12, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "an all steel cage format PPV event"—probably just one hyphen required.
    • Changed it from an em dash to an en dash.--WillC 11:12, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • No, the em dash was correct. Tony was referring to the fact that compound adjectives need hyphens. Depending on what you meant, it would be "all-steel-cage format" or something similar. Dabomb87 (talk) 20:41, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Oh, my bad. Thanks for fixing it.--WillC 23:12, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "To win this match, three or more—depending on how many are involved in said encounter—of the participants must be eliminated by pinfall or submission until only two remain." Said encounter? Please, not in formal English; better never. Can you recast the parenthetical phrase so the sentence is easier to read; it's hard on the working memory as is.
    • Rewrote. The said encounter was placed to try and make it seem intelligent when I have a small vocabulary and since I can't spell well it makes it even smaller LOL.--WillC 11:12, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • the X Division Championship.[7][8][9][10][11]—Can these be conflated into one note?
    • Each ref is used to source all encounters to show that it has been used to determine the number one contender and contested for the championship. Ref 7 is for the 2005 match, ref 8 is for the 2006 match, ref 9 is for the 07 match, ref 10 is for the 08, and ref 11 is for the 09 match. If I had one that sourced all matches, I would replace them if the said source was reliable.--WillC 11:12, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note 1—Do we need the opening hyphen? Tony (talk) 10:41, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • In there to seperate it from the number better. If it isn't needed I'll remove it.--WillC 11:12, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:17, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the source is still questionable, but is used within multiple FL articles, so I'm guessing it has reliable fact checking. Plus it doesn't source major things so it could be considering passable. I'm never sure why something is reliable. I just use it if it is used within other articles of higher classes.--WillC 14:54, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
To determine the reliability of the site, we need to know what sort of fact checking they do. You can establish this by showing news articles that say the site is reliable/noteworthy/etc. or you can show a page on the site that gives their rules for submissions/etc. or you can show they are backed by a media company/university/institute, or you can show that the website gives its sources and methods, or there are some other ways that would work too. It's their reputation for reliability that needs to be demonstrated. Please see Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-06-26/Dispatches for further detailed information. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:02, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe this will help? It will involve alot of reading. But they pretty much tell how they get their information and how long they've been trying to compile it all and making sure everything is correct.--WillC 18:45, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments – I was hoping to make it through the article in one reading, since it is a short one. However, I'm running into problems all over the place in the body. Tony only scratched the surface with this one.

  • "It is currently tied with the TNA X Division Championship for the second highest ranked championship in TNA". Hyphen for "highest ranked"?
    • My bad, wasn't thinking. Fixed.--WillC 03:22, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "There have been a total of 38 reigns among 19 different wrestlers." Some wordiness that can be removed here.
  • Speciality matches: "Three of multiple matches used in TNA are the...". Problems with the grammar. Replace "multiple" with a simple "the" and the sentence will be much better off.
  • "The cables are attached to four post that stand...". Typo; "post" needs an s at the end.
  • Does the TNA video say that the Ultimate X match has been successful in TNA?
    • No but the Ultimate matches DVD states that which is a general ref. I'll add a ref to it, since I'm also using the Ultimate matches as a ref to be more clear also.--WillC 03:22, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "involves the ring being surrounded by a giant red steel bared cage...". Bared? Do you mean barred?
    • Must have been a typo. Fixed.--WillC 03:22, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "an all steel cage format PPV event." Hyphen after "all"?
  • "To win this match, three or more participants must be eliminated by pinfall or submission until only two remain depending on how many are involved in the encounter." Move everything after "remain" to after "participants" and place commas before and after it. The order seems odd now.
  • Creation: "while the ring announcer Jeremy Borash stated it was for the NWA–TNA X Championship." Commas before and after name. Alternately you could just remove "the" before "ring announcer", but I think the first method is more efficient.

If a short article is going to be brought to FAC, the prose has to be solid since shorter pages should naturally have fewer rough patches. Unfortunately, there are a large number of them here. Please get some outside help on this one. Giants2008 (17-14) 03:01, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    • I'm sorry about the prose problems. Not a great writer and but I try. Hopefully with time that will change. Thank you for all the comments and any more would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much.--WillC 03:22, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note The article has been protected for three days. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:20, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • (edit conflict) Note - I've full-protected the article for three days as a result of the ongoing edit war. I therefore oppose on the basis that the article is not stable. Sorry. –Juliancolton | Talk 00:21, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Juliancolton. – iMatthew • talk at 00:22, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes I agree. I might as well just withdraw the nomination.--WillC 00:47, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Is that a request for withdrawal? (sorry if I'm being dense, but I need to know for sure) Dabomb87 (talk) 02:14, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Might as well. Protected for 3 days. I can't edit it or fix any problems, and once it is unprotected. Another edit war will pop up.--WillC 02:29, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Alright, hope you resolve the dispute soon. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:11, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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