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UEFA Euro 2004 Final[edit]

Nominator(s): — Amakuru (talk) 08:55, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Some of you may have seen the FAC for UEFA Euro 2008 Final, which is currently active but hopefully close to a successful completion. Well this article is about the tournament prior to that one, the 2004 edition of the European Championship, and it brought one of the greatest shocks in the history of football. Outsiders Greece, who had never won a game at a major tournament before, stormed through the tournament, beating hosts Portugal in the opening game and then seeing off the tournament-holders France in the quarter-final and the Czech Republic in the semi-final. In the final, they met Portugal again and, through a combination of resolute defending and nicking a goal from a corner, they managed to overcome Portugal in their own back yard for a second time to claim the trophy. As ever, all comments and feedback welcome and I look forward to hearing from you. — Amakuru (talk) 08:55, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support from TRM[edit]

"hosts Portugal and Greece" perhaps a comma after Portugal or something to delineate who the hosts were (i.e. not both countries).
Reworded. — Amakuru (talk) 16:27, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Greece's manager" could link manager in the lead.
Deon. — Amakuru (talk) 16:27, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"odds" could be linked to fixed-odds betting?
Done. — Amakuru (talk) 16:27, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"organised by UEFA for" link UEFA here.
Done. — Amakuru (talk) 16:27, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
" European Championship final prior" do you mean final tournament here?
No, it means the final itself. Both had appeared in at least one finals in the past. Does it need a reword? — Amakuru (talk) 16:27, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"winners. [20]" lose the space.
Done. — Amakuru (talk) 16:27, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"They suffered an early setback" who?
Resolved. — Amakuru (talk) 16:27, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Some mix of "half-time" and "half time" when being used simply as nouns.
Changed to "half time". Unless it should be "half-time"? I can't remember. — Amakuru (talk) 16:27, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Karagounis suspended" was.
Done. — Amakuru (talk) 16:27, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"temperatures of 28 °C (82 °F)" contradicts the infobox (where the ref is dead in any case...)
Infobox updated (and the humidity too) to match the extant UEFA source. — Amakuru (talk) 16:27, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"10 minutes.[42] On 13 minutes" repetitive.
I've reworded a bit. — Amakuru (talk) 16:27, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"was hit over" struck?
Ok sure. — Amakuru (talk) 16:27, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"crossbar.[45][42] Maniche" ref order.
Resolved. — Amakuru (talk) 16:27, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As I'm always asked, what is referencing the exact positions and the formation diagram?
"pre-tournament odds" could link odds again.
Done. — Amakuru (talk) 16:27, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Minister Costas Karamanlis" our article calls him Kostas.
Done. — Amakuru (talk) 16:27, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's all I have. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:30, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: I've looked at all these point. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 16:27, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man: oh wait, no I haven't, there's still the positions sourcing. Will get back to you shortly. — Amakuru (talk) 16:28, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man: actually, that looks like an easy one - the match report source used in the Details section, [2], has the formation laid out in what looks like the same fashion as our image. I suppose it doesn't explicitly give the positions as GK / RB / CM etc, but maybe that's inferrable from the formation diagram per WP:SKYISBLUE? — Amakuru (talk) 16:33, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm okay with that. And thanks for addressing the other issues. I'm happy to support this now. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:01, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from ChrisTheDude[edit]

"playing in only their second European Championship" - which team was?
I've added "the latter". — Amakuru (talk) 16:17, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
First mention of Deco in the lead isn't linked
Done. — Amakuru (talk) 16:17, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"They had further chances" - which team did?
Changed to Portugal. — Amakuru (talk) 16:17, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Cristiano Ronaldo, a substitute for Portugal fouled" - comma needed after Portugal
Done. — Amakuru (talk) 16:17, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"The tie-breakers at Euro 2004 made use" - I would just say "Euro 2004 made use". The silver goal wasn't really a "tie-breaker" (which implies something used to decide a match which finished level)
Done. — Amakuru (talk) 16:17, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Then Portugal had an opportunity with a free kick" - I would lose the redundant first word
Done. — Amakuru (talk) 16:17, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"continued to prevent goal-scoring many opportunities" - wording seems mangled here
Swapped many with goal-scoring. — Amakuru (talk) 16:17, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"as Barry Glendenning of The Guardian described the game thus far as "dull"" - this implies he said it literally at half time. Presumably he didn't?
@ChrisTheDude: He actually did say it at half time. The source is a minute-by-minute live blog of the game, in which each piece of information was written by Glendenning and published at the time it happened. Do I need to amend it to make it clearer? — Amakuru (talk) 21:06, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No, that's fine if that's the case (I have to confess I didn't look at the source) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:40, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Five minutes into the second half, Glendenning said" - again, did he literally say it five minutes into the half?
See above. — Amakuru (talk) 16:17, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
" the first foreigner to coach a team" - suggest a different word(ing) - everyone is a foreigner to someone
Reworded. — Amakuru (talk) 16:17, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Think that's it from me..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:21, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@ChrisTheDude: I think I've looked at all your points now. — Amakuru (talk) 16:17, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:41, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Image review[edit]

Suggest adding alt text
File:POR-GRE_2004-07-04.svg should have a source added to the image description
File:Greeks_celebrating_Euro_2004_victory_dsc06432.jpg is quite blurry - are there no better-quality images available? Nikkimaria (talk) 23:05, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Nikkimaria: I've done the first two points, and also added another image I found to the pre-match. Regarding the pic of the celebration, I can't find any very brilliant ones. There are two alternatives of confetti being showered on the Greek players during the trophy presentation, which you can see here and here. If you think either of those two would be better than File:Greeks_celebrating_Euro_2004_victory_dsc06432.jpg, then please let me know and I'll swap it. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 11:25, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Personally I like the first of those, but your call. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:36, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Nikkimaria: OK, swapped for that. I've looked at all your points, I think. — Amakuru (talk) 11:06, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Nikkimaria: are you happy with everything here from an image standpoint? Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 21:49, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yep. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:49, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support by Kosack[edit]

"Greece winning 2–1 in what BBC Sport labelled a "shock defeat", maybe it's me but it seems to read little oddly by mentioning a win for Greece as a "defeat". Perhaps add "for the hosts" or something similar to the end?
Yes, seems legit. I've added "for the hosts" as you suggest, to make it clearer. — Amakuru (talk) 10:15, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"towards the Greek goal, and Greek goalkeeper", opposition instead of the first use of Greek to avoid slight repitition perhaps?
Done. — Amakuru (talk) 10:15, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"through Figo and Maniche", first mention of Figo in the lead. Add full name and link.
Done. — Amakuru (talk) 10:15, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Could link marking.
Done. — Amakuru (talk) 10:15, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
What is ref 33 being used for? It only seems to reference "shortly before half-time" , which is covered by the following ref anyway. Could perhaps remove it or move to the end of the paragraph?
Oh yes, I think it was because I thought that the time of the goal was not mentioned in the BBC article, but looking again it is there, in that black "Key Moments" box. I've removed the extra ref. — Amakuru (talk) 10:15, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not much for me to pick out once TRM and Chris have been over it. A few minor points above though. Kosack (talk) 18:07, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Kosack: all the above looked at I believe. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 10:15, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to support, great work. Kosack (talk) 12:39, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - pass[edit]

Ref 7 - sentence case for EURO please.
Done. — Amakuru (talk) 21:25, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 9 - could we make it clear the publisher of this is S.L. Benfica?
Done. — Amakuru (talk) 21:25, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 11 - dead.
Done. — Amakuru (talk) 21:25, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 20 - appears to be the same as ref 4?
Done. — Amakuru (talk) 21:25, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 22 - author name is missing.
Done. — Amakuru (talk) 21:25, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 30 - what makes AGONAsport.com a high quality RS?
I have removed this ref, it isn't really needed anyway. — Amakuru (talk) 21:40, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 40 - same question re: Planet Football?
Replaced with an ESPN ref. — Amakuru (talk) 21:40, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 45 - minor suggestion, you have the attendance referenced already in the prose using BBC and/or UEFA, suggest you reuse one of those here, or indeed don't even reference attendance here as it's dealt with already.
Done. — Amakuru (talk) 21:25, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 46 - where do you get the ref title from?
Amended. — Amakuru (talk) 21:25, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 50 - contains a quote for added verifiability I guess, but you don't do this sort of thing anywhere else, so why here, specifically?
Removed. I think it's just a by-product of the little JavaScript tool I use for generating refs from web pages. — Amakuru (talk) 21:25, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's all I have. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 14:55, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for the source review, @The Rambling Man:, I think I've looked at all your points. — Amakuru (talk) 21:40, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to pass the source review. I did a bunch of ad-hoc spotchecks and they were all satisfactory, didn't feel the need to list them all out here. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 21:45, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support by Z1720[edit]

Non-expert prose review.

"the latter playing in only their second European Championship." Delete only as redundant.
Done. — Amakuru (talk) 09:13, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"The defeat meant that Greece's fate was no longer in their own hands," In their own hands feels a little like an idiom, and I am not sure why this is because it is not really explained. Maybe change to something like, "The defeat meant that Greece needed Spain to lose their match against Portugal to advance to the next round. Spain was defeated by Portugal, which meant Greece and Spain were level on points; Greece progressed as they had scored more goals than Spain."
It's actually not quite that simple. If Spain had beaten Portugal, then Greece would have gone through at the expense of Portugal. So in fact, only a draw in the other game would have sent Greece home. I've decided to remove that whole sentence, as it's not really necessary (we already said they needed a draw earlier, so it's obvious that if they didn't make that, then they're reliant on other results). — Amakuru (talk) 09:13, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Greece faced France, in a game on 25 June at the Estádio José Alvalade." -> Greece faced France on 25 June... this eliminates redundant words.
Done. — Amakuru (talk) 09:13, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"by The Guardian's Kevin McCarra as "undaunted and controlled"." Is this Kevin McCarra? If so, wikilink.
Done. — Amakuru (talk) 09:13, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest adding the humidity details in the infobox into the article body, perhaps with the other weather details.
Done. — Amakuru (talk) 09:13, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A well-written article. Please ping when the above are addressed. Z1720 (talk) 01:10, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Z1720: thanks very much for the review, and I think I've addressed all your points now. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 09:13, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My concerns have been addressed. I support. Z1720 (talk) 20:17, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@FAC coordinators: - this FAC now has four supports, a source review and image review. Please can I have permission to nominate another solo FAC? Thanks — Amakuru (talk) 20:41, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 23:12, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Ian Rose (talk) 09:59, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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