Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Yadier Molina/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by GrahamColm 10:02, 27 October 2013 (UTC) [1].

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Yadier Molina

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• Featured article candidates/Yadier Molina/archive1

Nominator(s): Elcid.ruderico (talk) 08:20, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article because, first, it appears to have a chance to grade out against standards of FAs. Second, the elements and reasons which comprise the subject's notability separate him from many of his peers, and thus, grading the quality of the article against the standards of FA help highlight that the magnitude of these achievements from an oratory and informational standpoint which is otherwise not as fully explainable through the countless and ubiquitous statistics kept in the sport of baseball. Third, the subject is a prominent figure within the St. Louis Cardinals organization, and as such, is primed to make an even more significant mark on the franchise and MLB before his playing career is through.Elcid.ruderico (talk) 08:20, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Image review: Captions that aren't complete sentences shouldn't end in periods, but licensing is all fine. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:57, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Fixed. Elcid.ruderico (talk) 06:23, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

• Quick comment – I had been intending to give this article a full review, but I've been very busy both on Wikipedia and in real life, and am not sure I will be able to at this point. One thing I noticed immediately, however, was the references with large quotes. There is nothing wrong with providing some quotes to controversial material, but we need to be careful not to quote too much from articles for copyright reasons. For example, ref 28 has five sentences quoted, but it appears that the second sentence is the only one that is needed to support the article. It might be worth checking the other quotes to see if there is anything that can be chopped without reducing verifiability. Giants2008 (Talk) 00:12, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose. You've put a lot of work into this article, which is great to see. However, I think a nomination at FAC was premature, and WP:GAN would have been a better route to take. Here's what I noticed just on a skim read:
  • As Giants noted above, the quotes used in the references are way too long, and there's nothing controversial enough in the article or any significant deadlinks where the quotes would be needed.
  • Ref 43 (Cardinalsbestnews.blogspot.com) is not a reliable source
  • The language used in some parts of his playing career is a but too sportswriting-esque for me rather than encyclopedic. There are a lot of statements such as, "In 2005, Molina's defense did not disappoint", which should ideally be scrapped. The use of statistics, news sources, and the like should be able to tell his story well enough without the language being overly pushy in that regard (this is usually the hardest part of the baseball jump to FA).
  • The health issues section does not seem necessary, since it notes that he hasn't missed significant time due to injury.
  • The WBC section in general reads a little bit rough. Also, do we only have that sentence to use for 2006? I know 2013 will be larger since he was starting there, but 06 and 09 could be fine-tuned.
  • There is quite a bit of advanced stat usage, such as BABIP and the like. I do not mind it personally, but lay readers could be put off, and I'm not sure if going beyond main stats is necessary.

Again, this is certainly a nice article, but if I'm finding this much as a baseball guy, I have to imagine the non-baseball guys are going to find a lot more that needs clarification or fine-tuning. Wizardman 18:43, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

• Closing note: This candidate has been archived, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Graham Colm (talk) 18:58, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

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