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The article was kept by Nikkimaria via FACBot (talk) 3:21, 19 February 2022 (UTC) [1].

Niandra LaDes and Usually Just a T-Shirt[edit]

Notified: NSR77, Grim-Gym, Burnedthru, Zmbro, WP Red Hot Chili Peppers, WP Alternative music, WP Albums, noticed in May 2021

Several of the sources in the article would not be consider good enough for FAC now - top40 is an about.com site and probably not reliable, invisible-movement.net is not RS, Discogs is user-generated, and feelnumb and Los Apson look questionable. Additionally, rockinfreakapotamus is a fansite/fanzine of questionable reliable. There's an entire paragraph of uncited material about recording after the track listing. While personnel can usually be assumed to be from the album cover, but because it lists several "uncredited" people involved, I think that those can't really be assumed to be from the album cover. Finally, the VPRO interview is a WP:COPYLINK violation; the audio clip needs to be shortened per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Music samples and currently lacks the contextual significance needed, and File:JohnNiandraLades1994.jpg has a very weak non-free rationale. Hog Farm Talk 00:16, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Hog Farm: I'll see what I can do to fix this. I've cut out a few unreliable references and replaced then where I could. There doesn't seem to be a lot of discussion about this album nowadays on music websites, so fortunately there aren't any problems regarding scope. Famous Hobo (talk) 08:49, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Hog Farm: Regarding the VPRO interview, I haven't watched it yet but from a cursory google search about this album, the VPRO interview comes up in almost every single article, regardless if the article is from a reliable source. So to say the least, this interview seems crucial. With that said, would it be possible to create a reference for the VPRO interview without actually linking to the interview itself? I'm still not quite sure how COPYLINK explicitly works. Famous Hobo (talk) 00:16, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, it should be possible to cite it without linking to it. (In general, for lengthy videos like that, you'll want to use timestamps as an equivalent to the page numbers). It just can't be linked to a place hosting copyrighted material without the permission of the copyright holder. Hog Farm Talk 00:29, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Update - progress occurring. Most of the questionable sources have been replaced, and the COPYLINK situation has been resolved. Hog Farm Talk 15:13, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Almost every unreliable source has been replaced, still have one to go. God bless oldschool fansites for scanning magazine articles and making my life a million times easier. Additionally, I still need to shorten the audio sample and spruce up the lede. Famous Hobo (talk) 16:17, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What is Broxvoort, Brian (1994). "John Frusciante Goes Over a Bridge." Rockinfreakapotamus. It appears to be http://thechilisource.com/rockinfreakapotamus/ but is not fully formatted. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:26, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Rockinfreakapotamus is an old fanzine related to the band which may or may not be RS; the chilisource link is hosting scans of the old fanzine in a fashion that may or may not comply with COPYLINK. Hog Farm Talk 00:42, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
For reference, this is the Rockinfreakapotamus article. I believe it should be considered a reliable source since it's an interview with Frusciante, but I won't lose sleep if it doesn't meet the qualifications for a reliable source. Famous Hobo (talk) 09:36, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Given the nature of the piece/interview, I would say that it is fine to use as a source. Hog Farm Talk 18:26, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Best I can tell, it's still an WP:ELNEVER (hosting a copyvio), which we shouldn't use. We can't link to the copyright violation, so we end up with an incomplete citation, and readers looking for the source will still be directed to a site hosting a copyright violation. Unless you are saying they had permission to run the photocopy. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:30, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Surely if we got the bibliographic information, then we could do a {{Cite magazine}} and just not link to it, right, formatting it like a print-only magazine? Hog Farm Talk 18:55, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:59, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, shortened the audio sample to comply with MoS, and now I think everything has been taken care of. Famous Hobo (talk) 08:41, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My only significant concerns right now are that " Wolk, Douglas. "Reviews". CMJ New Music Monthly. p. 42." is improperly formatted (we really need the date/issue for something like this) and that we'd be better off with the volume/issue number if possible for the Rockinfreakapotamus source to complete the citation. Zmbro - I know you've worked on similar music items before; do you have anything to add here? Hog Farm Talk 19:28, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Whoops, that CMJ reference was one that I added. Fixed that reference. Sadly the place I got the Rockinfreakapotamus doesn't include a volume/issue number. Famous Hobo (talk) 12:12, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry just now getting to this. I notice the book sources are missing locations of publication; also, two are ISBN 10 and the other 13. Furthermore, per MOS:ALBUM#Track listing, the template is only needed for more complicated situations so we should change that to numbers and dashes. I'm wondering whether or not newspapers.com would have a few of these on hand, such as Boston Herald and Phoenix New Times. – zmbro (talk) (cont) 23:56, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Zmbro: Fixed the book sources and I think I changed the track listing correctly. Regarding the Phoenix New Times article, that's online in archived web format so the newspaper isn't required. As for the Boston Herald, I don't think I can find it since I don't have access to Newspapers.com, and other limited newspaper archives don't include the Boston Herald. Famous Hobo (talk) 07:41, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Close without FARC - the only thing that really stands out to me as a remaining issue is the single poorly-formatted Broxvoort ref, and that doesn't warrant delisting. Hog Farm Talk 00:22, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Close without FARC, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:14, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Famous Hobo: - I see this one has never run as WP:TFA - would you have any interest in nominating it? I've written a couple TFA blurbs before and can help with the blurb part. Hog Farm Talk 03:49, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Hog Farm: Since the album was released on November 22, I figure if it is gonna be a TFA, might want to wait for the date. But honestly fine with it running any day. I'm not too attached to this article since it was mostly just cleanup. Famous Hobo (talk) 18:05, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'll tack it onto WP:TFARP then. Hog Farm Talk 18:47, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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