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The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 01:43, 10 May 2009 [1].

2008 World Series of Poker Europe results[edit]

Nominator(s): I'm Spartacus!---I'm Spartacus! NO! I'm Spartacus!'
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I am nominating this for featured list because... I had nominated this article back in February and it looked like it was going to pass, unfortunately, there were a few open items and I was unable to address them due to real life activities. I have since taken care of those open items, and this list should be good to go or close to it.---I'm Spartacus! NO! I'm Spartacus! 22:09, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NOTE: I will try to resolve all open items before mother's day, but should anything come about between Sunday and Wednesday I may not be able to address it until Thursday. If there are open items that prevent this from being promoted on Wednesday, please do not close it as I will be travelling.---I'm Spartacus! NO! I'm Spartacus! 03:21, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from KV5
Comments from KV5
  • "European casinos typically have a different environment than those in the U.S." - could be POV without a cite
    There is already a citation at the end of the sentence.---I'm Spartacus! NO! I'm Spartacus! 06:11, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    "European casinos typically have a different environment than those in the U.S. Jeffrey Pollack, the WSOP Commissioner, indicated that the WSOPE would have a "style and flair that is both unique and appropriate to the setting. So don't be surprised if we require participants to wear blazers at the tables. If James Bond were hosting a poker tournament it may look like the World Series of Poker Europe."[2]" is one sentence? KV5 (Talk • Phils) 13:39, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Ah, you are right... I read it as one sentence that went into a quote, and the quote was referenced. I added a reference---which is the same one as the quote.---I'm Spartacus! NO! I'm Spartacus! 14:53, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "18 year old" - 18-year-old
    Fixed---I'm Spartacus! NO! I'm Spartacus! 06:11, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The second World Series of Poker Europe" - be consistent with the use of acronyms, use them always after first usage or not at all
    fixed---I'm Spartacus! NO! I'm Spartacus! 06:11, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "between September 19, 2008 to October 1, 2008" - between...and or from...to. Also, I don't know if the "2008"s are necessary; certainly one or the other is redundant, and they may both be redundant to the title
    Fixed both, I think one is necessary.---I'm Spartacus! NO! I'm Spartacus! 06:11, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "to win a braceletat" - bracelet at
    Fixed---I'm Spartacus! NO! I'm Spartacus! 06:11, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "won his fourth bracelet in winning the WSOPE Main Event" - won/winning redundant
    Fixed---I'm Spartacus! NO! I'm Spartacus! 06:11, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "He, thus, became" - awkward, rephrase to Thus, he became
    Fixed---I'm Spartacus! NO! I'm Spartacus! 06:11, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "References:[6]" - all should be Reference; there is only ever one at each table
    Actually, there are 3 for each event---I'm Spartacus! NO! I'm Spartacus! 06:11, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Ah, I see what you mean. Actually, there are only two, but if you are going to say "References", then these references should be split up into separate ref tags. Otherwise, change to Reference. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 13:39, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    fixed.---I'm Spartacus! NO! I'm Spartacus! 14:53, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "WSOP record twenty two hours to finish" - 22 per WP:MOSNUM
    Fixed---I'm Spartacus! NO! I'm Spartacus! 06:11, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Heads up" could use a wikilink for non-poker people who don't know the meaning. Also, should it be "heads up" or "heads-up"?
    Fixed---I'm Spartacus! NO! I'm Spartacus! 06:11, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "between John Juanda and Stanislav Alekhin" - unlink Juanda per WP:OVERLINK
    Fixed---I'm Spartacus! NO! I'm Spartacus! 06:11, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The final table took a WSOP record twenty two hours to finish. Heads up between John Juanda and Stanislav Alekhin took more than seven hours of play another WSOP record. It took 242 hands to eliminate the first seven players and it took another 242 hands heads up before Juanda secured the win." - needs a ref
    fixed---I'm Spartacus! NO! I'm Spartacus! 15:11, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Ivan Demidov finished 3rd" - third per MOSNUM and a comma after third
    Fixed---I'm Spartacus! NO! I'm Spartacus! 06:11, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Ivan Demidov finished 3rd becoming the first player to make the final table at both the WSOP and WSOPE Main Events." - needs a ref, use the one from the lead
    Are you sure, if it is already referenced/linked above, do we need to rereference it later on? I thought it would be like linking?---I'm Spartacus! NO! I'm Spartacus! 06:11, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Not like linking at all. Actually, per the rules for referencing and citations, it should be linked in the body of the article and not the lead, but because this is a list, I think keeping the citation in the lead as well is important. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 13:39, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Fixed---I'm Spartacus! NO! I'm Spartacus! 14:53, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fix the link in the navbox to point directly to this article (I think there's a cap error and redirect at the moment)

Hope this helps. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 13:05, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support from KV5 (Talk • Phils) 15:31, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:24, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)
  • "London area — Fifty, Leicester Square" Em dashes should not be spaced per WP:DASH.
  • "With the purchase of these casinos, " "With" is awkward here. Maybe "After..."?
  • "The WSOP, however, did not rely upon its reputation alone." Did not rely on its reputation alone for what?
  • "On July 5, 2007, Harrah's announced its alliance with Betfair, one of the largest online gaming companies in the world, located in England."-->On July 5, 2007, Harrah's announced its alliance with England-based Betfair, one of the largest online gaming companies in the world.
  • "Due to a change is laws, effective in 2007, U.S. laws prevented the WSOP from accepting money from online gambling companies"-->"Due to changes in U.S. laws, effective in 2007, the WSOP could no longer accept money from online gambling companies"
  • "laws governing"-->laws that govern
  • "Ivan Demidov was one of the November Nine, one of the players scheduled to play in November for the WSOP Main Event, when he made it to the final table of the WSOPE. Thus, he became the first player to make it to the final table at both the WSOP and WSOPE Main Events."-->Ivan Demidov, who was one of the November Nine—players scheduled to play in November for the WSOP Main Event—advanced to the final table of the WSOPE, becoming the first player to make it to the final table at both the WSOP and WSOPE Main Events.
  • "Heads up between John Juanda and Stanislav Alekhin took more than seven hours of play another WSOP record." Comma after "play".
  • "Ivan Demidov finished third" Comma after here.
  • Are days of the week really necessary? Dabomb87 (talk) 01:37, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:24, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments - How reliable are Poker News, Poker Listings, and Gaming Business? I'm not up on most of the poker sites. Will wait until after Dabomb's review is looked at before commenting on the prose. Giants2008 (17-14) 22:14, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

quick response, will deal with Dabomb's stuff tonight, Poker News and Poker Listings are what I would consider B grade in reliability. Eg I'd put them on par with your local newspaper. Gaming Business is one that I wasn't as familiar with. The site looks pretty legit and reliable, eg it isn't a mere blog, and the article that is being referenced is derived directly from the Press Release, so for this purpose I would argue that it is solid.---I'm Spartacus! NO! I'm Spartacus! 22:21, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Prose review:
  • Repeat poker tournament link in the second paragraph. If readers want to know more, they'll have already clicked on the first link.
  • "In marketting the WSOPE". Typo.
  • In a contrast to my first comment, I'd like to see Betfair linked.
  • "Furthermore, as the laws that govern the age of gambling differ in England than the U.S.; the WSOPE admits younger players." I think the semi-colon should be a comma.
  • Citation needed for Obrestad being the youngest player to win a bracelet. Should be easy enough to find a good source for that.
That's about it. Looks fairly good overall, which I would expect since this is the list's second time at FLC (and probably would have passed before if circumstances were different). Giants2008 (17-14) 02:13, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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