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2012 NBA draft[edit]

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Nominator(s): -- ZooBlazertalk 21:53, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This list is about the players who were selected in the 2012 NBA draft and the order in which they were selected. I started working on this a month ago to clean the article up, and I hope it's ready to become a featured list now. I used 2003 NBA draft as a guide since not many NBA drafts are currently FLs. -- ZooBlazertalk 21:53, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Drive-by comment
  • What's actually sourcing the draft selections and notable undrafted players tables? Neither has any references at all...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:27, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I added a ref for the selections. As for the undrafted players, the list is directly from List of National Basketball Association undrafted players, it appears. -- ZooBlazertalk 18:12, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    It still needs sourcing in this article (not least because it isn't sourced in the other article either......) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @ChrisTheDude I just removed the section for now. Maybe in the future someone will come across good sources with some of the players listed. -- ZooBlazertalk 20:08, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Should be able to finish adding refs for the section in the next day or 2. -- ZooBlazertalk 17:00, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@ChrisTheDude The section is fully cited now. -- ZooBlazertalk 20:38, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)[edit]

  • Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
  • Tables need column scopes for all column header cells, which in combination with row scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Column scopes can be added by adding !scope=col to each header cell, e.g. ! style="width:1%;"| Round becomes !scope=col style="width:1%;"| Round. If the cell spans multiple columns with a colspan, then use !scope=colgroup instead.
  • Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row, which in combination with column scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Row scopes can be added by adding !scope=row to each primary cell, e.g. |align=center| 1 becomes !scope=row align=center| 1 (Looks like the "pick" column should be the header/primary, as its unique to each row). If the cell spans multiple rows with a rowspan, then use !scope=rowgroup instead.
  • Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --PresN 18:13, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for the clear directions @PresN. Can you take a look to see if I did it correctly?
    Also, for the !scope=row, do I do it for each individual "pick"? For now I just did it for the first pick just to see if I did it correctly. -- ZooBlazertalk 19:09, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Yep, each "pick", and you did it correctly. --PresN 20:16, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @PresN I've made the changes to all tables except the draft lottery one because I'm not the best with tables and it's a different style than the others. I'm not sure where to add everything from your suggestions for that one. -- ZooBlazertalk 20:39, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Did it for you, the table code was all jumbled together so I smoothed it out and added the accessibility bits. --PresN 00:45, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @PresN Thank you! -- ZooBlazertalk 01:02, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@PresN I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close
I don't know how many votes on average makes it ready to close, but are 3 supports good enough to get your vote one way or another? ZooBlazer 06:36, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
MyCatIsAChonk
  • the same conference, the Southeastern Conference - "the Southeastern Conference" should be in parenthesis, as the (Kentucky) is in parenthesis too
  • The draft selections and transactions, including trades involving picks on draft night or at a previous time. - this is an incomplete sentence, and I'm not entirely sure what it means
  • The first 14 picks in the draft belong to teams that miss the playoffs; the order was determined through a lottery. The lottery determined the three teams that will obtain the first three picks on the draft. The remaining first-round picks and the second-round picks were assigned to teams in reverse order of their win–loss record in the previous season. - citation needed
  • The Charlotte Bobcats, who had the worst record and the biggest chance to win the lottery, won the second overall pick. - citation needed
  • As of 2011, the basic eligibility rules for the draft are listed below. - bring up to date; if this is talking about the pasty, say "In 2011, the basic..."
  • U.S. players who were at least one year removed from their high school graduation and have played minor-league basketball with a team outside the NBA are also automatically eligible. - cn
  • A player who has hired an agent will forfeit his remaining college eligibility, regardless of whether he is drafted. Also, while the CBA allows a player to withdraw from the draft twice, the NCAA mandates that a player who has declared twice loses his college eligibility. - cn

ZooBlazer, got nothing else, great job MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 11:28, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@MyCatIsAChonk I think I've addressed everything. Ref #76 should now cover the last 2 CNs you mentioned. -- ZooBlazertalk 14:41, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support - great work MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 15:58, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Most of paragraph 2 of the lead seems to be unsourced
  • "Of the players drafted, 30 are forwards, 21 are guards, and 9 are centers." - I would change this to the past tense, as I would imagine a substantial number of these players have now retired
  • "The draft selections and transactions. Transactions consist of trades involving picks made on draft night or on a previous date." - is this needed? If it is, the first bit should be re-written to be a proper sentence
  • "The lottery determined the three teams that will obtain the first three picks on the draft." - not appropriate to use the future tense given that we are talking about a draft which took place more than a decade ago
  • "The New Orleans Hornets won the rights to the first overall selection with a 13.7% chance to win" - why did they have this very specific percentage chance to win? I don't understand this.
  • In fact I don't understand this whole section. What are "lottery chances"? Why Houston only have a chance of getting the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 14th picks?
  • "On May 3, 2012, the league announced a list of 67 early entry candidates which consists of" => "On May 3, 2012, the league announced a list of 67 early entry candidates which consisted of"
  • "leaving 49 collegiate players and 7 international players" - there are 8 players in the "international players" table.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:08, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @ChrisTheDude I've addressed everything you've mentioned. Hopefully all the lottery confusion is cleared up now, but let me know if something is still unclear. -- ZooBlazertalk 18:02, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for adding explanation to the lottery section but (and sorry if I am being unbelievably dumb) I still don't get parts of it. If the picks past the fourth are simply assigned to teams in reverse order of their win–loss record in the previous season, why do four teams apparently have a chance to gain each? How could Charlotte have had the highest chance of gaining pick four when they had already received pick two? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:32, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @ChrisTheDude So because the lottery only determines the top 3 picks, technically every team has a chance to drop up to 3 spots if 3 teams behind them jump up. Since teams 2-4 have the biggest odds to win the first pick/jump into the top 3 other than Charlotte, their combined odds are why Charlotte has the highest chance to drop to #4. They only had a 25% chance to win, which means a 75% chance to not win.
    I hope that helps. I know it's a confusing thing. I've never actually tried explaining it until now because I've never fully understood it, but working on this article has helped. Since 2019 the lottery changed the rules and the top 4 teams are selected in the lottery, with the top 3 worst records having the same odds to win, so finding sources for the old rules was harder than expected. -- ZooBlazertalk 16:54, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:26, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
EN-Jungwon
  • Add alt text to all images.
  • Ref 1 requires a subscription, so add |url-access=subscription
  • Ref 33 is the author Matt Steinmetz. If so add a link.
  • In the first table Damian Lillard there is "*~" but the background is only denoting the "*". Add both colors to the background.

-- EN-Jungwon 15:45, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@EN-Jungwon Done. Although the last one with the table I don't think I can change. From everything I've seen with tables like that for sports, both symbols are added but, the color used is whichever is the higher accomplishment. Unless you know how to make it half and half of both colors? ZooBlazer 16:57, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have added both colors. If you feel that it's not necessary then feel free to revert. Support -- EN-Jungwon 05:20, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@EN-Jungwon Works for me. Thanks! ZooBlazer 05:59, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, as it stands now I opposite this nom

Where is the sources for the "Draft lottery" table and "College underclassmen", "International players" and "Invited attendees" headings? As it stands now its quite difficult for the reader to know what references what. Maybe add a "Ref." column to the tables like this one: Alternates of the 12th Central Committee of the Communist Party of Vietnam? I mean, this is Wikipedia. Its even more important that we show transparently what references what statement. --TheUzbek (talk) 20:44, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@TheUzbek I added a ref for the lottery odds, but the other sections are all cited clearly I feel in the prose of those sections. ZooBlazer 21:21, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Although there is one (recent) oppose, I'm going to go ahead and promote. I read through the list, and I found it pretty clear in the sections mentioned that the reference in the text contained the data that was then presented in a list/table, without it being repeated in a ref. column or similar. Source review passed, promoting. --PresN 03:16, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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