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56th Academy Awards[edit]

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Nominator(s): Birdienest81 (talk) 09:48, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]


I am nominating the 1984 Oscars for featured list because I believe it has great potential to become a Featured List. I followed how the 1929, 1979, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, and 2021 ceremonies were written. Please keep in mind that because this ceremony happened earlier than in recent ones that I did, the format of how I configured this list may look slightly different than others. Birdienest81 (talk) 09:48, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:11, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
;Comments
  • "The Right Stuff came in second with seven eight" - so which was it? :-)
  • Fixed: Removed the word "seven" since the film received eight nominations.
  • There's two full stops at the end of Hal Roach's honorary award citation
  • Fixed: Removed the extra period at the end of the Hal Roach citation.
  • "with 30.3% of households watching over a 50 share" - what's a "50 share"?
  • A share is the number of households with their TV on that are tuned in or watching a specific program. This is different than a rating which is based on all television sets in households regardless if the television is on or not. They are explained in the Nielsen rating article.
    • Apologies, but even after reading that other article I still can't grasp what is being expressed here. I understand that 30.3% of households were watching the show, but what does "over a 50 share" mean? That 50% of all TVs which were switched on were watching it? Over 50% of all TVs which were switched on (and if so, how much over? Over 50% covers everything from 51% to 100%)? Or something else....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:02, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • @ChrisTheDude:I have a hard to time explaining it, but this is what I understand. The first number (30.3) represents the rating or the percentage of households with a TV (REGARDLESS of if the television set was on or off) that were tuned in to the program. The second number (50), the share, ONLY counts television sets/households that had their TV turned on during the program's duration. So 50 percent of TV's that were in USAGE DURING THE LENGTH OF THE CEREMONY were tuned in to that program. I can remove the share number if you find it confusing or unnecessary. The reason newer ceremonies don't have the share number is because fewer media outlets don't report the share number as often. They focus on the viewership total and 18-49 rating.
--Birdienest81 (talk) 03:26, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
In that case would "with a 50 share" work? I think it's the use of the word "over" that confused me...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:29, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@ChrisTheDude: - Done: Changed "over" to "with" to now read "with a 50 share".--Birdienest81 (talk) 04:44, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@ChrisTheDude: - I've addressed your comments above, accordingly.
--Birdienest81 (talk) 09:04, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Kavyansh.Singh
  • Fixed: Linked the first mention of newspapers for each reference.
  • Some of the bibliographies like Franks 2005, Jones 1999, and Pond 2005 are not used as citations. I'll suggest moving them to Further reading section.
  • Fixed: Removed unused bibliographies since they were most likely holdovers from another ceremony, and I forgot to remove them.
  • Gene Allen is linked twice in the prose. First in the "Winners and nominees" section, second in the "Ceremony information" section.
  • Fixed: Delinked Gene Allen in the ceremony information section.
  • Suggesting to archive all the references (though some already are)
  • Fixed: Archived all references
  • Fixed: Added links from above to respective references. I also indicated that the sources were retrieved using Newspapers.com.
@Birdienest81 – Maybe you can fix these issues. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 08:31, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Kavyansh.Singh - Done: I have addressed all the comments and responded to them by making the necessary corrections.
--Birdienest81 (talk) 03:17, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@uBirdienest81 – All my concerns are addressed, and the list looks and reads fine. I support this list for promotion as a Featured list. Great work! I'll appreciate your comments on FLC of United States presidential elections in Arkansas, which I do intent to make a series of 52 articles! Thanks! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 03:28, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from HAL[edit]

  • by Academy president Gene Allen and Mickey Rooney --> Maybe reverse order or add "actor" or "entertainer" for clarity.
  • Fixed: Added "actor" before Mickey Rooney.
  • "award ceremony" and "awards ceremony" are used in same context. Standardize.
  • Fixed: Made "award" into plural so that it now reads "awards ceremony".
  • Add comma after "With four wins"
  • Fixed: Added comma after said phrase.
  • This image would work well under "Special Achievement Academy Award". If it's too much of a pain to replace the Spanish, don't worry about it.
  • Fixed: Added image to Special Achievement Award section.
  • I would move the Carson image to the left so he faces the text.
  • Fixed: Moved Johnny Carsons's image to the left.
  • the five Best Picture nominees at the US box office was $151 million with an average of $30 million The average gross is kind of obvious imo. Maybe remove?
  • Fixed: Removed the average gross figure.
  • He also added Remove "also". It implies that this was the second time he added.
  • Fixed: Removed the word also between He and added.
  • American telecast on ABC drew in an average of 42.1 million people over its length Average over what period? Clarify.
  • Fixed: Changed over its length" to "Over the length the broadcast"
  • Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon and Parasite have since equaled this record with four wins apiece Maybe add years in parentheses.
  • Fixed: Added years in parentheses to respective films.
  • Not anything you can fix, but The Right Stuff really should have won over Terms of Endearment.

That's all. Nice work. ~ HAL333 18:51, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@HAL333: - I've addressed your comments above, and I have made changes accordingly.
--Birdienest81 (talk) 02:47, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Happy to support. ~ HAL333 01:30, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review – Pass[edit]

Will do soon. Aza24 (talk) 21:21, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Version reviewed: [2]
Formatting
  • There's some inconsistency in using the "Citation" template vs "cite book" which is making the formatting different throughout the Bibliography
  • Fixed: Changed "cite book" to "citation" template per previous ceremony lists.
  • Locations are inconsistent, sometimes you have just city; sometimes city and state; and sometimes state and country
  • Fixed: Reformatted locations for consistency.
  • "Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences (AMPAS)" vs just "Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences"
  • Fixed: Removed AMPAS acronym since it is redundant.
  • not sure that ref 21 is really a PDF
  • Fixed: Removed PDF indication.
Reliability
  • seems okay
Verifiability
  • @Aza24: - Done: I've addressed all the comments above and have made changes based on them.
--Birdienest81 (talk) 03:05, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Pass for source review. Aza24 (talk) 03:13, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from TRM[edit]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:04, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
*" Los Angeles beginning" I would put a comma before beginning.
  • Fixed: Added comma between "Angeles" and "beginning".
  • "for the fifth time. He first" merge to avoid very short sentence.
  • Fixed: Changed sentence to read "Comedian and talk show emcee Johnny Carson hosted the show for the fifth time." I feel that the "He first hosted..." flows better with the "and last hosted."
  • "42.1 million" non-breaking space.
  • Fixed: Added nbsp template to mixed number figures.
  • Link Nielsen ratings in the infobox.
  • Fixed: Nielsen ratings is linked in the infobox.
  • "February 16, 1984 by" comma after year.
  • Fixed: Added comma after the year and before "by"
  • "Swedish - directed" etc, all should be en-dashes.
  • Fixed: Added en-dashes with nbsp consistent with earlier ceremony lists that were promoted to FL status.
  • I don't see the purpose in having sortable "role" column when it's free text.
  • Fixed: Made role column unsortable
  • "Pacuła " needs a diacritic.
  • Fixed: Added a diacritic.
  • "Jack Haley, Jr. " drop the comma.
  • Fixed: Dropped comma in said name.
  • "host Johnny Carson would host" repetitive.
  • Fixed: It now reads "host Johnny Carson would host over emceeing duties".
  • "72.9 million" etc, non-breaking spaces.
  • Fixed: Also added nbsp template to mixed number figures.
  • "on ABC drew" link ABC.
  • Fixed: Linked American Broadcasting Company in the ratings paragraph.
  • Ref 35 should be en-dash, not spaced hyphen.
  • Fixed: Added en-dash to reference.
  • ISBNs should be consistently formatted.
  • Fixed: Changed ISBN format to 978 prefix ones that are the same format.
  • "Internet Movie Database" or "IMDb"? Be consistent.
  • Fixed: Changed Internet Movie Database into IMDb.
  • "directed by Marty Pasetta" is mentioned in the lead, but nowhere else, should be in the main body too.
  • Fixed: Added sentence mentioning Pasetta in the second paragraph where it begins "Several others participated....".

That's it on a first pass. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 08:26, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • @The Rambling Man: I have addressed all your comments and have made the adjustments.
--Birdienest81 (talk) 06:36, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from RunningTiger123 (talk) 16:27, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
==== Comments ====
  • "won five awards including" → "won five awards, including"
  • Fixed: Added a comma between "awards" and "including".
  • "the third writer-director-producer to win three Oscars for the same film" – no clear source (is it ref. 9?)
  • Fixed: Added citation from book I removed earlier.
  • Fix double dash next to Jack Nicholson
  • Fixed: Removed excess dash.
  • Don't use semicolon for heading for "Jean Hersholt Humanitarian Awards" (see H:DL)
  • Fixed: Changed semicolon heading to subheading.
  • Second table header should be "Films with multiple wins", not "Films with multiple nominations"
  • Fixed: Changed "nominations" to "wins" in second table under "Films with multiple..."
  • "from Fort Worth Star-Telegram" → "from the Fort Worth Star-Telegram"
  • Fixed: added a "the" before the title of said newspaper.
  • Fix "See also" wikilink to avoid redirect
  • Fixed: Renamed wikilink to actual title of list that is consistent with other FL Oscar ceremony lists.
  • Assuming the bibliography should be alphabetized, Wiley & Bona should come after Terrance
  • Fixed: Rearranged bibliography to alphabetical order by surname.
  • In external links, "Official website" → "official website" (occurs twice)
  • Fixed: Made "official" lowercase in both instances.
  • In external links, say "at Filmsite" and "at IMDb", similar to final link
  • Fixed: Added "at" before Filmsite and IMDb.

— RunningTiger123 (talk) 05:06, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

--Birdienest81talk 09:42, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support – another great job with this list. RunningTiger123 (talk) 16:27, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Promoting. --PresN 14:45, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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