Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Academy Award for Best Actor/archive1

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Academy Award for Best Actor[edit]

Featured list candidates/Academy Award for Best Actor/archive1

Nominator(s): Birdienest81 (talk) 20:58, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because SoapFan12 and I have worked on the list more than a year ago to comply with Featured list standards. I strongly believe that this list has a potential to become a featured list. I followed closely to how the Daytime Emmy Award acting list were formatted. Birdienest81 (talk) 20:58, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Matthew McConaughey is the most recent winner in this category for his role in Dallas Buyers Club. The sentence should be shifted to the end of the lead as we follow chronology to these kinds of lists. I have no other thing to say --FrankBoy _(Buzz) 18:37, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@FrB.TG:: Done: I moved that sentence to the end of the paragraph.

Comments from Jimknut[edit]

Resolved comments from Jimknut (talk) 00:14, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Introduction

"The Academy Award for Best Actor is an award presented annually by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences (AMPAS). It was first awarded at the 1st Academy Awards ceremony, held in 1929; Emil Jannings received the award for his roles in The Last Command and The Way of All Flesh and it is given in honor of an actor who has delivered an outstanding performance in a leading role while working within the film industry."

I would consider rewording this as:

"The Academy Award for Best Actor is an award presented annually by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences (AMPAS). It is given in honor of an actor who has delivered an outstanding performance in a leading role while working within the film industry. The 1st Academy Awards ceremony was held in 1929 with Emil Jannings receiving the award for his roles in The Last Command and The Way of All Flesh."

This way the description of the award is not interrupted by historical information. Also the word "first" does not appear twice in one sentence.

List

1929/30: Footnote A does not link properly
Lawrence Tibbett — The Rogue Song: No reference is given or the box for ref 10 does not extend down far enough
"Dr. Henry L. Jekyll/Edward Hyde" could be linked: Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (character)
Should Marlon Brando (for The Godfather) and George C. Scott (for Patton) be listed as having refused the award?

Notes

Note C: "Paul Muni's performance in Black Fury was not nominated for an Oscar." — Black Fury should be in italics.

References

Ref 64 is not formatted correctly

Hope these comments help. Jimknut (talk) 20:14, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Jimknut: Done: I fixed every you mentioned above. For the refused awards by Scott and Brando, the winners are indicated in pink.

--Birdienest81 (talk) 21:38, 10 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support — Looks good. Jimknut (talk) 00:14, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comments – I really like the list after reading through it. However, I do see one area that could be improved: the multiple wins and nominations lists, which are just bullet-point lists with minimal formatting. A simple two- or three-column table would look nicer in each case, in my view. Also, the See also section contains several links that are in one of the templates at the bottom of the page; they probably don't need to be duplicated and make the section long. Finally, the bibliography should probably be alphabetized, which won't take much work with only two books there. Giants2008 (Talk) 01:32, 10 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Giants2008: Fixed: I have alphabetized the bibliography by author's surname and eliminated duplicated Oscar links. Regarding the multiple winners and nominees section, however, I'm not sure what to do. I attempted to do a similar table as the one featured here, but other Wikipedians complained that it was too long. How can I fix the problem?

--Birdienest81 (talk) 21:47, 10 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You could change the emphasis of the latter grouping to be about actors with the most noms, and pick a minimum number of noms required for inclusion that will help control the size. If you limit a table to actors with at least four or five noms, the table's size should be much more managable than if you try to put all of the actors currently listed in a table. Giants2008 (Talk) 01:05, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Giants2008: Done: I merged the multiple awards/nominations into one section. For the nominations, I put the limit to four to avoid a long column. Thanks for your help!

--Birdienest81 (talk) 07:37, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Cowlibob (talk) 19:06, 17 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

====Comments from Cowlibob====

Overall great effort on this list.

I wonder if it would look better with Emil Janning picture being first as he was the first winner?
Add a reference that supports that Olivier directed Hamlet even though it's well known he did.
Add a reference that supports that Poitier was the first black winner.
Add a reference that supports that Benigni directed Life is Beautiful even though it's well known he did.
Dujardin was also the first French actor to win the award, might want to mention that with a reference.
Add references for the age superlatives section.
AMPAS should not be italicised in the references section, should be publisher=Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences (AMPAS)

Cowlibob (talk) 17:59, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Cowlibob: Done: I fixed every you mentioned above.

--Birdienest81 (talk) 22:54, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support Another great list, good job. Cowlibob (talk) 19:06, 17 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Neonblak ^talk - 07:01, 19 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Although I couldn't find anything specific on this, but shouldn't any content, inlcuding image captions, be properly sourced? Examples being the captions that include information on the youngest and oldest award winners, and number of nominations. Shouldn't that information be included in the lead, then cited? Or cited inline in the caption? Or neither? Or is it already, and I am not seeing it?Neonblak ^talk - 20:22, 17 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Neonblak: I too picked up on that. I took the line of requesting sources for any info which is not verifiable by the table and these have been duly added. Number of nominations is implicitly verifiable by the main table.

That being said, Birdienest, please add these two sources for the two declined awards. [[2]], [[3]].

Another thing I've picked up on now is that the alt text for the images are inappropriate. As per WP:ALT, alt text shouldn't describe what someone is wearing unless the article is about fashion and should include the person's name. Options are named actor at this film festival or named actor in publicity photo. Also article has CS1:error dates so check the refs. I still continue to support the list though. Cowlibob (talk) 10:40, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Cowlibob: I've added a book reference to the refused Oscars and the posthumous Oscar nominees and winner.

--Birdienest81 (talk) 03:30, 19 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support - List looks great ! Neonblak ^talk - 07:01, 19 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Nice to see a different type of great list for a change.--Jagarin 21:55, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
Support: Excellent work!! Just one minor point: For the images of the actors on the right, I see some of the captions are accompanied by the year(s) in which they won, while some are not. For example, it doesn't state the years in which Sean Penn and Daniel Day Lewis won. I suggest the years are mentioned for all of them. -- KRIMUK90 ✉ 11:17, 21 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Done: Added missing years in the thumbnail captions to Brando, Hoffman, Brody, Penn, and Day-Lewis.

--Birdienest81 (talk) 22:54, 21 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. – SchroCat (talk) 14:51, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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