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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:Matthewedwards 20:11, 11 October 2008 [1].

Alabama Crimson Tide football seasons[edit]

I am nominating this article because I think it fulfills the FL criteria, in addressing said subject. It is modeled after Virginia Tech Hokies football seasons, a featured list. Patriarca12 (talk) 00:29, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from SRX

Comments

  • leads the NCAA in undefeated, untied seasons with 8 - I don't think you need a comma after undefeated, doesn't flow well when read.
Removed comma. Patriarca12 (talk) 15:39, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Alabama leads the SEC West Division with its 5 appearances in the SEC Championship Game, and has a winning record against every other SEC team. - you need to place the South East Conference acronym in parenthesis early in the article so the reader will know what you are talking about , i.e. South East Conference (SEC).
Have indicated that SEC refers to the Southeastern Conference in the first sentence. Patriarca12 (talk) 15:39, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • As a member of the Southern Conference, Alabama won conference championships in 1924, 1925, 1926 and 1930 - wouldn't it just be better to say from 1924-1926 and 1930?
Re-worded per your suggestion. Patriarca12 (talk) 15:39, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • By 1933, Alabama again switched conferences, this time joining the SEC as a charter member, with the Tide still competing as part of the SEC to this day. - don't need to link SEC again per WP:OVERLINK + "to this day" weasely, how about "As of 2008"
Delinked SEC and re-worded per your suggestion. Patriarca12 (talk) 15:39, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Other than that, the list looks great.--SRX 14:30, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - My comments have been resolved to meet the FL Criteria.--SRX 20:49, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    • Further Comments

    It is a 3rd party source that serves as a single source for final poll rankings, and has been utilized in other articles as a source. However, I did dig around and took the same information form an NCAA source. Patriarca12 (talk) 15:39, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • A number of your website references lack last acess dates.
    Corrected. Patriarca12 (talk) 15:39, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Otherwise sources look good, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:31, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:49, 30 September 2008 (UTC) [reply]
    Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

    Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

    • The images are squashing the text; this needs to be fixed urgently.
    Corrected. Patriarca12 (talk) 03:57, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • "The Associated Press (AP) ranks Alabama 5th in All Time Final AP Poll appearances." Why is "All Time" capitalized?
    Corrected. Patriarca12 (talk) 03:57, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Football was introduced to the university by W.G. Little in 1892, with the first win in the history of the program coming in its inaugural game, a 56-0 shutout over Birmingham High School on November 11, 1892." I think this sentence needs to split into two sentences. Also, the hyphen in the score needs to be an en dash
    Revised. Patriarca12 (talk) 03:57, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • The footnotes need references.
    Added references for each. Patriarca12 (talk) 03:57, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • "The Southeastern Conference introduced divisional play in 1992, with the divisional winners advancing to the SEC Championship Game to determine the conference champion."-->The Southeastern Conference introduced divisional play in 1992; the divisional winners advance to the SEC Championship Game to determine the conference champion.
    Revised. Patriarca12 (talk) 03:57, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • "With 787 wins over 112 years of football"—"seasons" seems more accurate than "years".
    Revised. Patriarca12 (talk) 03:57, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • "After amassing five national championships and nine conference championships through 1946"—"winning" is a more neutral word than "amassing".
    Revised. Patriarca12 (talk) 03:57, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Audit for unnecessary and POV uses of "only".
    Reviewed and worked to remove any instance of POV wherever possible. Patriarca12 (talk) 03:57, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Bear Bryant was hired as head coach in 1958, and under his guidance Alabama would reestablish itself as one of the nations elite programs." Rather POV statement.
    Reworded to remove POV. Patriarca12 (talk) 03:57, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Following the retirement of Bryant, Alabama has seen eight head coaches, three SEC championships and the programs twelfth national championship in 1992."-->Following the retirement of Bryant, Alabama has had eight head coaches and won three SEC championships as well as the programs twelfth national championship in 1992.
    Revised. Patriarca12 (talk) 03:57, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • To help with accessibility, use other symbols in addition to colors.
    For this, I am not quite sure what you are looking for. Other symbols were not used in the other FL's on similar subject (Virginia Tech Hokies football seasons, Iowa Hawkeyes football seasons and East Carolina Pirates football seasons). Please advise. Patriarca12 (talk) 03:57, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, you can set a new standard for college football season lists by adding symbols. For an example, look at Los Angeles Lakers seasons. Dabomb87 (talk) 12:25, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Have now implemented symbology into the list. Thank you for the link to the LA Lakers list as an example. Patriarca12 (talk) 01:00, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Dabomb87 (talk) 02:30, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Comments from Gary King (talk · contribs)
    • En dashes for page ranges like "111-112. " per WP:DASH
    Added
    • "References:[9]" – "References: [9]"
    Corrected
    • "9-3-1" – "9–3–1" – en dashes too
    Added
    • "every other SEC team." – "every other SEC team." – I doubt people will think that they beat themselves
    Corrected
    • "1924-1926" – en dash
    Added
    • Otherwise, the prose is pretty good. I'm not so sure about the table, however, but I'll leave that for others to decide.

    Gary King (talk) 06:58, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Comments addressed, thank you for taking the time to look through the article! Patriarca12 (talk) 14:43, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    • Support — Excellent work. Well-cited, aesthetically pleasing, and well constructed. Follows the conventions of your previous work and the prototypical example given above. My only hesitation comes from the large number of single-season redlinks, but I've never been afraid of those. Good work! JKBrooks85 (talk) 10:49, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Support Excellent article.--User:2008Olympianchitchatseemywork 21:10, 10 October 2008 (UTC) Comment Any source for the number of ten-win seasons? --User:2008Olympianchitchatseemywork 16:46, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Removed statement altogether as I could not find a single source stating the fact, only comparison with varying sources that may bee seen as WP:OR. Patriarca12 (talk) 17:06, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support, looks good to me. --Golbez (talk) 20:19, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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