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Ariel Award for Best Director[edit]

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Nominator(s): Javier Espinoza (talk) 20:12, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because it is complete and referenced, and it is modeled after the FL Academy Award for Best Director. The Ariel Award is the most important film award in Mexico, known as the Mexican equivalent to the Oscars. Thanks for your comments and input.Javier Espinoza (talk) 20:12, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Cheetah (talk)
  • Comments
    • Multiple wins and nominations should be the second section of the list
    • Why was there not a winner in 1953? Did the voting not take place? OR The voting was rigged?
      • The only info I found indicates that the award was declared void. Javier Espinoza (talk) 02:02, 14 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
        • That footnote has to have a source. As soon as it's sourced you have my support.--Cheetah (talk) 07:21, 14 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 16:25, 14 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • The "1959 — 1971" row looks different, which is surprising. I think the year column should have a gray background and the "Not awarded" field white background.--Cheetah (talk) 07:12, 2 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • I do not know how to fix that, can you help me? Javier Espinoza (talk) 02:03, 14 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
        • No need, I understand it now. They ear is not marked gray because there was no award.--Cheetah (talk) 07:21, 14 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 20:12, 18 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comments – The FLC leaders were pinged so that one of us could review the list, and it looks like this is still outstanding. I guess I'll take it.
  • First off, the FL criteria call for "a minimal proportion of items [that] are redlinked." It looks like almost all of the yearly awards pages haven't been created yet. This can be excused given that it's only one column, but many of the directors and films also don't have links. The latter are presented as regular text, indicating that they are non-notable, but is that really the case? WP:N gives as a probably indicator of notability: "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for one several times." To me, it sounds like the winners of Mexico's biggest film directing award should be considered notable, as the Mexican media will likely have given them significant coverage. I won't oppose for now, but would like to hear your thoughts on why some of the directors (and most of the films) aren't notable enough for links, and on whether you think FL criterion 5a will be met if they are linked.
It was very surprising to me to find just a few articles related to the awarded films. I am currently working on four other lists for Ariel acting awards, and after that I'll start with articles for the winners for Best Picture and Best Director. It will be a hard work, but I think it is relevant. Javier Espinoza (talk) 23:06, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'll take your word for it that you'll make further improvements in this area, and won't object on this basis. :-) Giants2008 (Talk) 21:05, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "the committee submit their votes through the official AMACC website." This should read "the committee members submit their votes", as it sounds like the committee itself is voting, not the people in the committee.
Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 23:06, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "and also received the Academy Award for Best Director...". "also" is redundant to the previous word.
Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 23:06, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • The lead says that there was a gap in presenting the award from 1958 to 1972, but our table is showing a gap from 1959 to 1971, and one of the few existing yearly Ariel Award articles indicates that this honor was presented for the 1972 film year. It might be helpful to indicate that the award is for films released in the prior year, but in any event the lead's timespan needs fixing.
Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 23:06, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I see 1958 to 1971 in the lead, but the list says the 13th Ariel Awards were given out in 1958. This looks like it needs further revision. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:05, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 18:52, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Hermosillo caption needs a comma after "nominated five times". Giants2008 (Talk) 21:34, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 23:06, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much for your review. Javier Espinoza (talk) 23:06, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – I think the list meets FL standards now. Giants2008 (Talk) 20:12, 18 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:35, 26 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "exhibited outstanding directing while working in the film industry" the global film industry? Or the Mexcian film industry? Or something else?
Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 23:44, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • " In 1947, the 1st and 2nd Ariel Awards were held" why two awards in one year?
I did not find any reference for that. Javier Espinoza (talk) 23:44, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • If this award is notable, then recipients of it should be notable as well, wouldn't you think? I'm curious as to why there are so many not-even-red-linked directors, e.g. Carlos Enrique Taboada, Diego López Rivera, Juan Pablo Villaseñor...
I am working on stub articles for the winning-directors, I started with Raúl Kamffer. I added red-links to the articles. Javier Espinoza (talk) 23:44, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "1959 — 1971" should be an unspaced en-dash.
Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 23:44, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 12:00, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Javier Espinoza (talk) 23:44, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support would have been nice to know why two events were held in one year, but can't fault the list quality. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:35, 26 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed; promoting. --PresN 15:14, 29 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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