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The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 10:01, 2 August 2013 (UTC) [1].[reply]

Carry On series on screen and stage[edit]

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Nominator(s): CassiantoTalk and SchroCat (talk) 21:37, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Carry On series (1958–78) was a long-running, low-budget British sequence of comedy films produced between 1958 and 1992. The series relied largely on innuendo and double entendre, and consisted of 31 films, one television series including three Christmas specials, and three West End and provincial stage plays. Next to the James Bond films, the Carry Ons comprise the largest number of films of any British series and are the second-longest continually-running UK film series (with a fourteen-year hiatus between 1978 and 1992). I have spent the last few weeks compiling this list ably assisted by my glamorous assistant SchroCat, and we believe that it now meets all the relevant criteria for it to be considered a featured list. -- CassiantoTalk 21:30, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment This may be beyond the scope of this nomination, but is it possible to have the individual films/tv shows referenced in this list wiki-linked to this page? I checked the first two films and neither linked to this list. If it will become featured, it surely will benefit from the traffic from the individual pages. Mattximus (talk) 00:28, 19 July 2013 (UTC) [reply]
    • Edit On further inspection, it appears none of the pages link to this list, it's essentially an orphaned article, this needs to be fixed before being promoted. Mattximus (talk) 00:35, 19 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean listing this article in a "See also" section in each film article? -- CassiantoTalk 07:56, 19 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • I know what you mean. I'll get onto it now. -- CassiantoTalk 08:40, 19 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • Just about beat you to it Cass! Now done. - SchroCat (talk) 08:43, 19 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Query - the article states that there were "numerous West End and provincial stage plays", yet only three are listed.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:28, 19 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Crisco 1492 (talk)
====Comments from Crisco 1492====
  • one television series of thirteen episodes (including three Christmas specials), - Further below you say the specials were made first, even before the series was ordered.
  • You duplicate "Production (for Nurse) lasted a month, starting in November and finishing shortly before Christmas 1958. The film was released in March 1959."
  • Regardless had the highest amount of unused material omitted from the final script. - final script or cut?
  • It was a script taken from stage play which was adopted as a basis for the story, rewritten by Tolly Rothwell. Cabby was not intended to be part of the series, but things changed mid-production. I think that deserves Itals? -- CassiantoTalk 19:30, 19 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Was the stage play entitled Call Me a Cab? You've been using quotes for scripts. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:07, 20 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Working on this... -- CassiantoTalk 09:29, 20 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dr. No, - year? Actually, a lot of these works of fiction could use years
  • Basically any published work of literature or film which has been adapted. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:26, 20 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have caught all of the films. The scripts are a little different as I cannot find any years for them online (none reliable anyway). I will consult the books once I am back from the gym. -- CassiantoTalk 09:29, 20 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Carry On Camping was perhaps one of the best known films of the series. -according to whom?
  • "Anne of a Thousand Lays" - So no issues with this at the censors? ...
  • The title was never used, and was a working title only. (although it was used as a jokey, alternative title at the beginning of the film: the censors were not happy with this, but allowed it for this use only) -- CassiantoTalk 17:39, 19 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • It appears to have had some impact. Unless, of course, this is a coincidence]. Not for our article here, however. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:00, 20 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think this would have been a coincidence. This EL seems to be completely unrelated to the Carry On's and is 28 years apart. Unless of course I'm missing something. Unfortunately, I cannot link this to the use of the alternative title used in Henry as nothing suggests that. -- CassiantoTalk 08:57, 20 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • As I said, "Not for our article here, however." (Hence the small font too, just thought it interesting) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:13, 20 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, it was interesting. It makes me wonder on how many other things were borrowed/stolen from the Carry On's :-) -- CassiantoTalk 09:29, 20 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • What's with linking the film title twice in its respective row?
  • Deleted link to the film in each of the "Notes" section.
  • That's Entertainment! - Italics? No?
Otherwise quite interesting. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:03, 19 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • And the others? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:10, 20 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Doing...RL caused me to pause. Also, I need the books which weren't to hand yesterday -- CassiantoTalk 07:55, 20 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on prose. Solid work, guys (sorry took me so long, I thought you were still on the Call Me a Cab, but it seems you've gotten that. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:50, 20 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, it was me who dragged their heels on this one Crisco. You will now find the itals restored for the scripts and the Call Me a Cab farce now corrected. Thank you for the review and the much appreciated support. -- CassiantoTalk 18:56, 20 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry, even later to the party, having been to one of those bits of Britain where they have yet to discover mobile signals! Many thanks for your thoughts here: much appreciated! - SchroCat (talk) 21:32, 21 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Non-counting comment from Soapfan12
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Comment: Archive all online sources with webcitation.org. You can use this page (step-by-step instructions there) to manually archive all online references which will guarantee they remain accessible even if the site goes down. After this has been resolved, I would be happy to support! SoapFan12 11:41, 21 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I will not be signing up to this unless this is a required part of the criteria for FLC. Could a delegate confirm this please. I will copy my response here from my talk page:
  • Firstly, unless the rules have changed, this is NOT obligatory. This has not come from an FL delegate, so I presume this is not an essential part of the FLC. I have sat many FA's and FL's and this is the first time I have ever been offered this as an ultimatum. As far as I can see, it is not an obligatory part of the process. Furthermore, I do not want to dish out my personal email address to people or companies who I am not familiar with (which is what the link is asking me to do). It appears you haven't reviewed the article as you have not offered any comments or views. You have given me a conditional support in exchange for my signing up for this service. A support should NOT be based on this, it should be based on the criteria needed for FLC. -- CassiantoTalk 13:05, 21 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry. I have put my response on you're talk page. SoapFan12 13:20, 21 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Great job on meeting every single criteria for FL, espicially on the prose! SoapFan12 16:07, 21 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your support. -- CassiantoTalk 11:27, 23 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Lemonade51 (talk) 12:09, 22 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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  • "In 1969 a Christmas special was recorded by Thames Television, entitled "Carry On Christmas" which was watched by over eight million viewers", sorry for being technical, but nationally or regionally? It was recorded by Thames, so it may give off the impression that the eight million who saw it was from the London region. Best to include what network it was shown on. If it is ITV, then rephrase "In 1975 a 13-episode television series was commissioned by ATV and was televised on ITV." to "In 1975 a 13-episode television series was commissioned by ATV for ITV."
    • OK, I think I got that. Sorry, your comment appears a little confusing as we start off by talking about one line then give an alt for another. Anyhow, I fixed both but they may need checking. -- CassiantoTalk 06:26, 22 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Publish dates are needed for Refs 2 and 4.
  • Having looked at the Guardian archive, Ref 6 is titled differently – "In praise of Carrying on"
  • Ref 20 is actually on p.15; the article is titled "Two British Film Comedies: Simple and Sophisticated." Lemonade51 (talk) 02:33, 22 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for the review Lemonade51. I will spend the day going through each and every reference to check for their accuracy. I must admit that it leaves element of doubt when there are inconsistencies in referencing, and that the others may follow suit. I will post my responses later. -- CassiantoTalk 06:31, 22 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks for your thoughts Lemonade: much appreciated - SchroCat (talk) 12:08, 25 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I gave the page a light copy-editing earlier this month, but have not contributed anything of substance. I know an unreasonable amount about this gloriously dreadful series, and I think the nominators have boiled the constituent films down very skilfully here. As an overview of the series I don't see how this could be bettered. – Tim riley (talk) 00:40, 23 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support although I suggest you change the following: "Production lasted from March to May 1958, and was released in August of that year" - production was not released in August, so you need to add something like "the film" before "was released". In a similar vein, "Rothwell wrote a script called "Carry On Courting" but was re-titled by Rogers to Carry On Loving" needs changing - Rothwell was not re-titled so you need to add in "it" or similar..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:55, 25 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Many thanks Chris: your two suggestions both now implemented. Thanks for your comments and time. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 12:08, 25 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 09:35, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Real pity there's not one single relevant image permissible for use for this list?
  • I know it is gutting! The only one is this which is non-free, but I may have trouble satisfying NFCC rules with it. If I thought I could get away with it, I would add it. Virtually all the images of the Carry On's are well and truly copyrighted. Unless anybody happens to know of a ultra-rare pre-1963 American image out there? -- CassiantoTalk 19:33, 25 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "31 films, three Christmas specials, one television series" beware MOSNUM, so comparable entities should use the same approach, i.e. "thirty-one films, three Chri..." or "31 films, 3 ...."
  • " the 1976 entry" not keen on entry, can we not just say "film"?
  • For our universal friends, perhaps explain what ITV is.
  • flu->influenza.
  • "Nurse on Wheels(1963).[35]" space before the year.
  • Link actors name every time - the table is soratble.

The Rambling Man (talk) 18:23, 25 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks for your review so far. I will continue to hunt for an appropriate image in the mean time. -- CassiantoTalk 19:46, 25 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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